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Unintelligent Design Hostility toward religious believers at the nation’s museum
National Review ^ | August 16, 2005 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 08/18/2005 10:36:33 PM PDT by dervish

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To: Jorge

> >Do you *honestly* think that comes even close to being a reasonable means of debating a point of science?

> Absolutely.

Thus ends science. At least for Jorge.


101 posted on 08/22/2005 6:46:15 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: dervish

Richard von Sternberg was on Fox' Bill O'Reilly tonight. He discussed how he was targeted as a religious fanatic by his employers.

Here is another link to this story by the Washington Post:

"They were saying I accepted money under the table, that I was a crypto-priest, that I was a sleeper cell operative for the creationists," said Steinberg, 42 , who is a Smithsonian research associate. "I was basically run out of there."

An independent agency has come to the same conclusion, accusing top scientists at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History of retaliating against Sternberg by investigating his religion and smearing him as a "creationist."

The U.S. Office of Special Counsel, which was established to protect federal employees from reprisals, examined e-mail traffic from these scientists and noted that "retaliation came in many forms . . . misinformation was disseminated through the Smithsonian Institution and to outside sources. The allegations against you were later determined to be false."

"The rumor mill became so infected," James McVay, the principal legal adviser in the Office of Special Counsel, wrote to Sternberg, "that one of your colleagues had to circulate [your résumé] simply to dispel the rumor that you were not a scientist."

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Sternberg is an unlikely revolutionary. He holds two PhDs in evolutionary biology, his graduate work draws praise from his former professors, and in 2000 he gained a coveted research associate appointment at the Smithsonian Institution.

'snip'

"I am not convinced by intelligent design but they have brought a lot of difficult questions to the fore," Sternberg said. "Science only moves forward on controversy."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/18/AR2005081801680_3.html


102 posted on 08/24/2005 9:35:26 PM PDT by dervish (tagline for rent, inquire within)
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To: orionblamblam

Consider a tornado in a junkyard how long would that tornado take to churn out a Lexus. How about a massive explosion sets all matter into motion then a billion billion years later all matter finally collapses into
itself no worse for the wear and resumes being nothing.
In either case all the energy expended science percieves
as undirected just jostling with other energy waves until
stuff just happens. Scientists could just boil their theroy down to "sh*t happens" put it on t-shirts and bumper stickers and be done with it.


103 posted on 08/24/2005 9:55:08 PM PDT by claptrap (optional tagline under re-consideration)
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To: claptrap

Thank you for a demonstration of the concept of a "strawman arguement" as commonly put forward by the Creationist crowd.


104 posted on 08/25/2005 6:59:41 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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