Quick - google Dietrich Snell. Explains a lot about AttaGate.

google ^ | epluribus_2

[epluribus_2]

don't have time to elaborate - see for yourself. This guy was the one Able Danger team briefed who decided it was not worthy of inclusion into the 9/11 report or even to the ears of comittee members since it did not fit their conclusions about Atta. THIS NEEDS TO P*O*P!

[nuffsenuff]

OH MAN! I just thought of something....

RICHARD CLARKE! His "testimony". It was all part of the "point the finger on Bush" strategy.

[Peach]

Definitely Richard Clarke.

And do you know, in my files, I have that he actually believed in the WMD in Iraq, that AQ worked with Iraq, that he was the one who let the bin Laden family leave the country after 9/11, although he tried to blame the president for that.

He was angry because he got demoted when Bush took office and no one ever listened to him again about anything. Self important little creep.

[Peach]

That wall was to protect Clinton's backside, and we got dead Americans because of it. And an economy that stunk for a while, lost money on wall street, two wars, dead soldiers.

[BushisTheMan]

You mean just like Jamie Gorelick?

[nuffsenuff]

Exactly.

[Enchante]

Clarke, Gorelicker, Snell, and lots of other Clintonistas need to be put under oath in front of a Congressional committee -- there are multiple scandals, lies, and egregious cover-ups here, and the integrity of the 9/11 Commission has been completely subverted. Far more important, the facts and truths about 9/11 and gross failures of counter-terrorism in the 1990s must be thoroughly explored, with NO MORE COVER-UPs!!

[Peach]

I'd like to see under oath testimony from those people too, but they'll just lie like crazy and congress will not investigate or push hard, imo.

[BushisTheMan]

Col. Mendoza, who was the Richard Clarke of The Philippines, when it came to his knowledge of Islamic radicalism, was very clear with the U.S. government and warned our officials in in the spring of 1995 of that PRECISE plot which unfolded six years later.

Gotcha you b*stard Clintonistas!

[BushisTheMan]

Guess again. Kristin Breitweiser was on TV yesterday (Fox) and says there needs to be more investigating. She still didn't blame Clinton however...only blames Bush...even now that she knows it occurred on Clinton's watch.

[backhoe]

WOW! Here's what I have--

Go to the "Last" and work backwards for the latest:

 GORELICK GATE: Developing...

[Kay]

Thanks for starting this informative thread.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the ping.

Gore Licker is up to her blood sucking lips in another mess, Fannie Mae situation.

I will ping you to that thread.

[CatQuilt]

Exactly! She still blames Bush. She is irrelevant. She doesn't want to get to the bottom of anything. She just wants to blame Bush. This is useful in what way?

[SandwicheGuy]

Only 303 if you use quotes, as "Dietrich Snell" and less if you use in conjunction with commission or clinton or cover-up, etc.

[Enchante]

We can see why the 'Rats have been so desperate to cover up their history of pre-9/11 treachery, ineptitude, and malfeasance, but why have the Republicans allowed them to get away with it (so far)???? Is it blackmail, as suggested in the quote below, or fear of starting the ultimate politcal bloodbath, or simply ignorance of all that Gorelick, Burglar, Clarke, Snell, & friends have been covering up?????? Time to rip the covers off of the cover-up mess!!

http://www.peterlance.com/911truth-important.htm

"Lance shows why the crimes of 9/11 are so inconvenient to those who politicize blame, and why we face such a monumental stalemate in our Congress. If it is the case that, under the watch of a Democratic administration, the investigation of the mass-murder of hundreds of Americans, on Flight 800, was smothered and rendered an outright lie, the Democratic Party, as an institution, would have been left in an incredibly compromised position. It seems that the 9/11 Commission may have been the exchange floor of a monumental quid pro quo between our two parties — a dance of mutual blackmail in which the two fighters have agreed not to fight with knives, but with padded gloves, so that it could leave no permanant or visible wounds"

[Enchante]

I really try to resist tin-foil theories, but the 9/11 cover-up seems like it leads back to quite a rats' nest of massive FBI negligence and outright malfeasance re: Oklahoma City bombing, TWA 800, and the mis-handling of all the info and suspects related to the original 1993 WTC bombing. Could this all be tied together?

Anyone know if Peter Lance and/or Jack Cashill (see below) are very credible or not??? They both seem to have some very important stuff published out there, but they're being totally ignored by the MSM as though they are kooks. So..... are they really kooks or are they knowledgeable investigative reporters who have been unravelling a stupendous mess at the FBI and Dept. of Justice dating back to 1993-97???

FYI, apparently the current GENERAL COUNSEL of the FBI, Valerie Caproni, is in this deep too, as she was closely involved as part of the US Attorney's office in NYC in the late '90s! So she, like Gorelick, may have strong motives for trying to keep the cover-ups going - how many career officials and Clintonlite appointees may also be holding the line against more revelations?

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MEGA FIX
Does Nichols' house hold key to OKC secrets?

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Posted: April 19, 2005

Editor's note: In his extraordinary new DVD documentary, "Mega Fix," Emmy-award-winning filmmaker Jack Cashill traces the roots of Sept. 11 to the political exploitation of terror investigations by the Clinton White House in the desperate 1995-1996 election cycle. To arrange a showing in your city, contact Jack Cashill.

The "Mega Fix" DVD is available now at WorldNetDaily's online store, ShopNetDaily.

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


On April 14, in an article headlined "FBI Waited to Check Out Tip on Nichols," the Associated Press finally confirmed a story that we released at WND two weeks earlier. Yes, Gregory Scarpa Jr. did give the critical tip that led the FBI to a cache of explosives hidden at Terry Nichols' former residence, a cracker box of a house in Herington, Kan.

The question the AP raises is why did it take the FBI so long to follow up. The Bureau was first alerted to the Scarpa info by forensic economist Stephen Dresch, a respected investigator, on March 1 – 30 days before its agents went to Herington.


As Dresch told me, he made numerous attempts to alert the appropriate agencies in the weeks leading up to this discovery. On March 22, both the National Security Council and the Department of Homeland Security acknowledged receipt of the information Dresch had received from Scarpa, a jail mate of Terry Nichols' at the Florence, Colo. Super Max.

On March 24, Dresch notified Congressman Dana Rohrabacher. Although Dresch is not entirely certain what finally prompted action, the death of Terry Schiavo on the morning of March 31 may have inspired the FBI to make its move that afternoon when one could be sure the media would not be paying much attention. All of this happened, in fact, without any help from the major media, which Dresch had attempted to contact, starting March 20.

Indeed, even after the story broke, the major media – the Associated Press nobly excepted – have chosen not to listen to Dresch or to follow up. As one well-known investigative reporter stated, Dresch had to first "prove" that it was the Scarpa intelligence that led to the bust. This same reporter then demanded Dresch name his contacts in the national security apparatus. Another reporter had to "sell" the story to his higher-ups and was not confident he could do so.

But the story does not end with the removal of the Herington explosives. Emilio "Tito" Bravo – a fellow Florence inmate who has worked with Scarpa on the Nichols' information – has since alerted Dresch that he and Scarpa have obtained disturbing new intelligence about a "continuing imminent threat." This second threat involves Nichols' connection with Abu Sayaff, the Philippine wing of al-Qaida, whose master bomber is the now incarcerated Ramzi Yousef.

One is tempted to write off Dresch's prison correspondents as unreliable – the media have certainly wanted to – but after they provided entirely accurate information about the explosive cache hidden in Herington, Kan. that is no longer possible.

Besides, there is excellent reason to believe that Nichols did, in fact, receive bomb training through his Abu Sayaff connections in the Philippines. For starters, as former ABC correspondent Peter Lance documents in his best-seller, "1000 Years For Revenge," Yousef's cronies took responsibility for the blast. More curious still are Terry Nichols' multiple trips to the Philippines, including a 1994 sojourn in which he and Yousef were both staying in Cebu City, a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism, at the same time.

What's more, during a police interrogation in 1996, former Abu Sayyaf leader Edwin Angeles swore he had met a man named Terry Nichols, who was introduced to Angeles as "a farmer." Angeles drew a dead-on description of him as well. Lance quotes McVeigh's lawyer Stephen Jones as saying, "The Philippines connection is the most credible, most consistent and frankly most complete explanation of how they built the bomb."

There is considerable other evidence as well, including the furious phone calls back and forth to the Philippines in the months leading up to the April 19, 1995, blast. Oklahoma City TV reporter Jayna Davis nicely documents the eyewitness evidence of Islamic accomplices in Oklahoma before and after the blast in her persuasive book, "The Third Terrorist." The FBI cited these eyewitness accounts during its detention hearing for McVeigh. These accounts led the Bureau on the most intense manhunt in its history for McVeigh's short, swarthy partner in crime, "John Doe No. 2" – a manhunt that was inexplicably dropped without a peep from the major media.

Indeed, even former intelligence czar Richard Clarke, has speculated openly about Nichols' likely training in bomb making with Ramzi Yousef and other Abu Sayaff members in late 1994 when he and Yousef were both in the Philippines. "We do know that Nichols' bombs did not work before his Philippine stay," writes Clarke in "Against All Enemies," "and were deadly when he returned."

According to Kathy Sanders, author of the new book "After Oklahoma City" and grandmother of two children killed in the blast, Nichols is prepared to tell her what he knows of the events leading up to April 19, 1995. Prison officials, however, have denied her request to speak to Nichols because she "could pose a risk to the internal security of the institution."

Peter Lance received a comparable rejection when he attempted to interview Scarpa at the same prison. "The Bureau of Prisons makes every effort to accommodate media personnel," wrote Warden Richard Hood, "as long as the request does not negatively affect the security and operation of our institutions." The federal prisons, it should be noted, are also run by the Department Of Justice.

There is one very good reason why at least some within the Justice Department may want to keep Scarpa inaccessible. In the summer of 1996 the FBI put a mob informant in the cell next to Ramzi Yousef, then being tried for the Bojinka plot. The informant told Yousef that he could use his mob connections to place Yousef's calls to the Middle East and elsewhere. Yousef took him up on the offer. In fact, though, the calls were being routed through the FBI. Alas, the FBI could not translate Baluchi, Yousef's native tongue. Worse, some of the calls went to Yousef's uncle, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the 9-11 mastermind. After TWA Flight 800 went down, the Justice Department had to wonder what role it played in facilitating the plane's destruction. In any case, there was to be no reward for the informant. Justice buried him for a hard 40 in the Florence, Colo. Super Max on a non-lethal anti-racketeering charge. The informant's name was Gregory Scarpa Jr.

When the AP "broke" the story confirming Scarpa's role in the Herington raid, the AP's Mark Sherman noted, "The FBI refused to comment on the delay." The general counsel for the FBI is Valerie Caproni. As a New York U.S. Attorney in the late 1990s, she managed the FBI's eavesdropping on Yousef, then prosecuted Scarpa, illegally pulled the National Transportation Safety Board off the TWA 800 investigation, and oversaw the prosecution of Jim and Elizabeth Sanders for Jim's reporting on her corruption of that investigation.

Scarpa and Bravo now fear for their lives at the hands of skinheads and neo-Nazis who see Nichols as an heroic figure. They can expect little help from Ms. Caproni.

[Peach]

I know that Peter Lance is not considered a nut and I've seen him on CNN a fair amount.

I'm not so sure about Jack Cashill. I saw him on a C-Span event earlier this year. He was at the podium for 1.5 hours and spoke well and clearly about TWA 800. He is not alone in thinking that was a terrorist attack. That's all I know about him.

Did you read Jayna Davis's book The Third Terrorist? James Woolsey, former CIA Director, believes her research and vouches for her. I've lent my book to so many people in my neighborhood and town and they all thought I was a nut until I insisted they read the book. Now they ALL believe an Iraqi helped Nichols/McVeigh in OKC.

We KNOW that the 1993 WTC bombers took refuge in Iraq. That's beyond dispute.

Was it all tied together? Not to sound like Clinton, but it depends on the meaning of tied together. Did they all work together and know each other? No. But do they all have a common goal to destroy the West and the US in particular? Yes.

[Enchante]

Yes, Hamilton and Felzenberg have contradicted each other - one denies Atta was ever mentioned in this context, while the other claims the info was heard but dismissed because supposedly Atta was not yet in the country in late 1999. fwiw, just because "travel records" show him entering the US in the summer of 2000 does not mean he could not have been here previously - especially since terrorists often have multiple identities, false passports, etc.

[Enchante]

I need to read "The Third Terrorist" - I admit I have resisted it because I don't like to consider "unproven conspiracy theories" where I have no basis for really knowing what's true and what's not....

This stuff with Snell raises the possibility that various people in both FBI and DOJ/US Attys have been (1) unbelievably negligent and idiotic, and (2) some of them are actively involved in criminal cover-ups relating to 9/11, OKC, TWA 800, and WTC '93..... yet, it seems amazing that there should still be no 'insider' whistle-blower ala Coleen Rowley, especially for the NYC offices where everyone must have known people killed in 9/11.

[Peach]

That's a good point about the whistle blower angle.

However, I think that there is just no way to "prove" a lot of this stuff. It's not like there is a tape recording or a memo where it's all outlined by the Clintonistas to ignore this stuff.

Although I have seen some under oath testimony that people have been told to shut it down, meaning the OKC probe into Islamic or Iraqi involvement.

Re Jayna's book...I resisted reading it too and for the same reasons. I have never read that stuff by conspiracy theorists because I don't believe most of it.

Her book isn't conspiracy theory though and is based on solid research and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. When I read that Woolsey endorsed her work, I decided to buy the book and I've never regretted it.