Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

I missed that comment. I was listening when he told Greta how the probable cause hearing goes there--more like the British system. Suspect has to sit in the box while judge and prosecutor bombard him with questions. Defense has to stand way back.

That Aruban lawyer is good. He says word among his lawyer colleagues is that they have heir man--Joran--and the system just needs a couple of weeks for it to play out. He is confident they have the right person and justice will be done. It seems like the other three were all accessories to the crime and/or disposal of the body (if indeed Joran killed her.)

481 posted on 06/20/2005 8:01:33 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

To: Rippersnapper

I was noticing the same thing!! And wondered if she has ugly uppper arms. How old is she? since I turned 60, I no longer wear short sleeved things except at home and walking, etc. But G doesn't look that old,,,maybe she is scared of the sun. And it does get a bit cool at nite with the wind in Aruba.

482 posted on 06/20/2005 8:02:12 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

A few weeks? If so,she is gone.

483 posted on 06/20/2005 8:03:31 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

Yes, I fear she is dead. Maybe Beth Twitty knows this, too, and that is why she seemed different today...resigned, I guess, but still staying on to make sure the killer is brought to justice.

The lawyer on with Greta said his colleagues believe it is a "simple case"...IOW--no white slavery or conspiracy, or even premeditation. A badly behaved drunken young man who tried to force himself on a girl who refused--he went into a rage--she died. Joran Van der Sloot was a time bomb waiting to go off.

Too bad Natalee had to be the object of his lust and rage.

484 posted on 06/20/2005 8:09:12 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

No prosecution without a body.

485 posted on 06/20/2005 8:09:18 PM PDT by Howlin

Don't know if it's fact or just a suggestion but someone posted to me that the beach patrol person thought she had gone off on a fling. I imagine that's not a rare occurence.

I would imagine it might be common among locals, or older people, but I doubt that it is common amongst young, responsible teens that have early flights in the morning. Responsible, intelligent teens that hadn't planned to go anywhere except back to their hotel, where being responsible as they are, they already had their bags packed so they wouldn't be rushed in the morning. Yep, I doubt very many responsible teens, eager to get home and ready themselves for college decide to blow off their flight home. jmo

486 posted on 06/20/2005 8:12:25 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

To: All; muir_redwoods

OT Lunatic Alert:

This post on another thread sparked my memory re the beginning of 'Scientology'.

Hubbard made the bet w/Robert Heinlein, the science fiction writer.

Thanks for the light bulb, m_r !

487 posted on 06/20/2005 8:13:29 PM PDT by tomkat

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Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.

488 posted on 06/20/2005 8:14:23 PM PDT by maggief

Of topic..Bill O'Reilly just banned congressman Weldon from ever appearing on the factor again..since he didn't bother to call and cancel his guest appearance this evening.

And idea what Weldon was supposed to be on for?

489 posted on 06/20/2005 8:15:44 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Search for Natalee Holloway - Anderson Cooper Transcript

On the island of Aruba, there are four suspects in custody, still no sign of Natalee Holloway. We're going to talk to her mom in a moment, but CNN's Karl Penhaul has been tracking the investigation all weekend. There've been a lot of developments as the father of one suspect has repeatedly been called in for questioning. Let's get the latest from Karl in Aruba.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Suspect Steve Croes covers his face with cuffed hands as police bring him to court. On a judge's orders, he'll be kept in jail for the time being while prosecutors investigate his links, if any, with Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

His ex-wife Janet Croes waits with their 3-year-old son, little Steve. She's anxious but convinced he's innocent.

JANET CROES (through translator): He's a charming person, a very good father and very hard working. I'm 100 percent sure he's not involved in this case.

PENHAUL: Croes was arrested Friday. He's the DJ on this party boat. His boss says he's an able seaman, too, but declined to tell CNN whether the vessel was at sea the night Natalee vanished.

Investigators will not detail how they think Croes may be tied to three other suspects in this case. The chief prosecutor, Caren Janssen, was keeping mum as she left the court.

CAREN JANSSEN, CHIEF PROSECUTOR: I'm sorry. I can't tell you.

PENHAUL: Seventeen-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and his brother Deepak, 21, have not been charge with anything, but under Dutch law, the prosecutor has accused them of murder one, murder two and kidnapping leading to death, to hold them in jail. They were the last people known to have seen Natalee. There's still no conclusive evidence whether Natalee is alive or dead.

Over the weekend, police questioned Paul Van Der Sloot, a judge and father of the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot. Police say they regard him as a possible witness, not a suspect. As he left the police station in downtown Oranjestad, Judge Van Der Sloot was in no mood to talk publicly about what he knows. But Natalee's stepfather, George Twitty, is demanding answers.

GEORGE TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: I've met him. I met him the night I got here. I got here, you know, 12 hours after it happened, and the guy's -- he's sickening to me. He's a chicken. You can tell. Why's he running this morning on TV? If he has nothing to hide, why's he running to his car? He's -- he makes my stomach turn.

PENHAUL: It's three weeks since Natalee disappeared, and her parents say they will not leave Aruba until they find out what happened to their daughter.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PENHAUL: The question many people are asking is why, on an island just 19 miles long and six miles wide, is it taking so long to hunt down clues for Natalee, and why is it taking police so long to check out the stories of these three young men -- Anderson.

COOPER: And Karl, I know a little bit later on in the program, you are actually going to sort of take us through a little bit of the search, kind of show -- try to answer some of those questions about why it is so hard to search on this island. We'll look forward to that report, Karl, a little bit later on 360.

Also coming up, I'm going to talk with Natalee Holloway's mother. She's in Aruba. Hear what she thinks of the investigation and how she's dealing with all of this. Can hardly even imagine how she's doing that.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COOPER: It was there weeks ago today Natalee Holloway was supposed to fly home. Her bags were packed, her passport was waiting, but when they went to the airport, Natalee was not there.

Joining us live from Palm Beach is a woman to whom all our hearts go out, Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty. Beth, thanks very much for being with us. Thanks for sparing us some of your time. I can only imagine how it's been for you. How are you doing? How is the rest of your family doing?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: It's -- sometimes it's extremely difficult, and then, you know, at other times we're able to stay focused and driven and get some answers. So -- but as you know and everyone who is experiencing it, it is frustrating and it's very difficult. COOPER: Yeah, and it's got to come in waves. A fourth person is in custody, this guy Steve Croes. Do you believe that police are at this point any closer to finding your daughter?

TWITTY: Well, I'm not sure how much information Steve Croes has, and I'll be anxious to find out once that is disclosed. But I do feel that, you know, they are making progress in it, and, you know, just one step closer. Still frustrated, because I don't have answers, but I do feel we are slowly getting one step closer.

COOPER: How much are they in communication with you, the authorities down there? I mean, because publicly they are not saying anything, and I can understand why that may be, but to you privately, I mean, do you feel like you are having good communication?

TWITTY: I do now, yes. I do at this point.

COOPER: Police have questioned the father of one of the suspects, this guy, Judge Paul Van Der Sloot, twice over the weekend. Your husband, Natalee's stepdad, said that Van Der Sloot is acting like he could be hiding something. How do you think he might be connected in all of this?

TWITTY: I think he could be very, very instrumental in helping us find the answers to what happened to Natalee, and I think it is a good idea that he has been questioned.

COOPER: Do you think he learned something directly from his son, or do you think he overheard something?

TWITTY: You know, just from Jug and I, just our intuition, and when we arrived on the island and his attitude, I mean, we felt from the very beginning, as early as May 31st, between the hours of 1:00 and 3:00 a.m., that he could very well be instrumental and have some information.

COOPER: So you met with him pretty soon after you got on the island?

TWITTY: Yes, Jug did.

COOPER: Jug did. And what was -- I mean, what was his -- what about the way he was acting, what about what he was saying that raised suspicions?

TWITTY: Well, I really -- I really can't disclose that, since most of my information was, you know, obtained -- most of it was secondhand. I did have one brief encounter with him that I would not like to comment on, but, you know, it just raised a huge, huge suspicion in Jug and I, at the moment -- from the time we met him.

COOPER: Is -- I understand there is a group of volunteers from Texas, that's coming down to search for Natalee. I mean, what is your sense -- how many people are on the police force down there in Aruba? Do they need more help? I mean, do you need people coming down there?

TWITTY: You know, I'm not going to comment on whether we need more help, but we have certainly not turned any down. We have been so graciously accepting anyone's help, so.

COOPER: And where -- I mean, is there an area right now that you are most interested in looking at, or is there one piece of information or one person you most want to hear from or, you know, where you are kind of focusing your energies on?

TWITTY: I mean, not particularly. We feel like we've exhausted a lot of areas just through family searches and just through the searches by the authorities. So, you know, we really don't have any areas right now to concentrate on, no. We need some answers from those individuals that they have in custody.

COOPER: Let's hope that happens soon. Beth Holloway Twitty, again, our hearts go out to you, and we think of you always. Thanks for being with us.

TWITTY: Thank you so much for having me.

COOPER: All right, you take care now.

490 posted on 06/20/2005 8:15:53 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

To: Rippersnapper

Scientology implants?

LOL. I did notice that she is tiny. Not just short next to that guy, but tiny in build.

Not that I'm jealous or anything.

491 posted on 06/20/2005 8:16:24 PM PDT by radiohead

I was wishing she would have asked about the other girls who shared the room with Natalee.

Did they see her coming in the room that last night?
Did they see her with Van der Sloot on another night? When they saw she wasn't there on the morning of departure did they notify anyone?
What was going on all those nights at the casino of the hotel where she was seen with Sloot? Have the staff been questioned?

492 posted on 06/20/2005 8:18:03 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))

I probably would have finished my dissertation proposal a month earlier if it hadn't been for FR!

In defense of the internet you can learn so much. I hate to call it wasting time, but there are times when I'll do a saerch on something, and before I know it, I've done dozens of other searches and ideas crop up and time passes. :( I don't like to call it wasting time, when you are learning things. I guess time management would be better! :)

493 posted on 06/20/2005 8:18:53 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

Thank you Howlin, I thought that was what I heard as I was running back to the television, but I was not sure. Tks again.

494 posted on 06/20/2005 8:20:03 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

TexKat...is Fuctor an obscene word or an obscure word? grins...

It's PITHY! LOL

495 posted on 06/20/2005 8:21:14 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

Not very comforting, is it? It's almost like if they wait long enough...

496 posted on 06/20/2005 8:21:45 PM PDT by Howlin

Not very comforting, is it? It's almost like if they wait long enough...

No, not comforting at all.

497 posted on 06/20/2005 8:23:31 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

On the Monkey board the person who claims to be a friend of Natalies also is claiming that she will be interviewed by Greta tonight -?

I get the distinc impression that she isn't that close to Natalee. She said she has known her for a couple of years but became friendly with her this past year, or something similar. That sounds more like an aquaintance, not a close friend. jmo

498 posted on 06/20/2005 8:25:48 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

To: Rippersnapper

I didn't hear about Weldon's scheduled appearance on O'Reilly, but I could guess it might have been about the autopsy report on Terri Schiavo.

Congressman Weldon was involved in getting the legislation started in the House of Representatives that was the basis for attempting to get her parents into federal court... He had also made some comments about his observations concerning her medical condition, given that he is a physician.

I do not blame Weldon for not subjecting himself to O'Reilly on the subject, but he should have known better than to schedule in the first place, and he should have cancelled.

However, no great loss if he's never invited back on "the factor". LOL...O'Reilly is full of himself...

499 posted on 06/20/2005 8:27:31 PM PDT by txrangerette

I don't even want to imagine him in shorts.

Even the sun will hide behind a cloud!

500 posted on 06/20/2005 8:27:48 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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