Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

I once assumed a car was a taxi at an airport, it was big and white and had a man standing there opening the door for me. ...and just got right in.

Sounds like you hijacked someone's limo. LOL!

1,401 posted on 06/22/2005 1:11:49 PM PDT by Quilla

To: Rippersnapper

Of course we can assume friends. It would be helpful to know for certain if the "friends" are the same two brothers. Apparently, they are, or at least one of the brothers.

1,402 posted on 06/22/2005 1:11:55 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)

I took a group of ladies on a day trip to St. Thomas. All the arrangements were made by an organization. When we arrived on our chartered puddle jumper, we were met in the airport terminal by a taxi driver. We asked if he was arranged to meet us and he said yes. Off we went for a tour of St. Thomas. For four hours the organization and island officials looked for us. We had no idea we were in any danger. Now I understand how much danger we could have been in.

1,403 posted on 06/22/2005 1:14:42 PM PDT by maggief

Hah! Tooooo tempting.

;-D

1,404 posted on 06/22/2005 1:16:27 PM PDT by maggief

Shock value and body English

1,405 posted on 06/22/2005 1:16:35 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD.)

To: All; maggiefluffs

So you are still wondering why she got into Deepak's car?

The way I see it... she got into it willingly or was forced into it. But that she was in Deepak's car and not a Taxi.

I would say she got into Deepak's car willingly since she yelled "Aruba" from the window of Deepak's car at her friends who were standing or walking outside the bar. (some friends of her's admit this happened.)

I really don't care why she got into the car (to me it does not matter if it was out character or not for her to something like this, it is not my place to judge her.) -

The point is she was in Deepak's car and the 3 boys have admitted this. She was seen in Deepak's car by some of kids outside the Bar and was seen leaving in Deepak's car around 1am from the bar. We now know it was Deepak's car, not a Taxi.

If she got in the car on her own or not at this point really does not matter, Only that she is now missing and she was seen in Deepak's car by her some of her friends and that Deepak, Satish and Joran admit she was in Deepak's car and they are the last KNOWN people to have seen her and who were with her. That is part of why they are being held. Daddy VDS may also be one of the last people to have seen her, that is if help Joran and possibly the brothers in some way.

Again I don't care if Natalee made a possible bad choice or not. Everything that happened with chaperones does not matter to me. Why her parents let her go on the trip makes no difference to me. Something has happened to Natalee and whatever it is Natalee did not deserve it. The 3 boys have the answers and possibly Daddy VDS has some of the answers also.

This is just my thoughts of what I am interested in and what I am not interested in. Just so you and others (notice the ALL in the TO: line) know what I am thinking.

1,406 posted on 06/22/2005 1:16:55 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

To: maggiefluffs

I went to the website (A.M. Digital) rather than read the copy you posted. Did you see the article on the front page with the HUGE title: ARMED AMERICAN TEEN. The paper is dated June 22. This article is interesting for two reasons: 1) Aruba says they have little/none violent crime on the island. 2) It made the front page with the title, emphasizing it was an American.

Now this is the country that continues to want our tourist dollars but, again, their disdain for Americans (ala...the "we just can't go in their like cowboys" comment) keeps showing. Here is the article - I left the mistakes in, LOL:

"Very early Saturday morning Police was directed to Avenida Alo Tromp near Hotel Baccarat, to attend to a fi ght with use of a fi re arm. Two patrol cars arrived at the scene in a few minutes, and were informed that gun shots were fi red from a car with license plates A- 21124. In searching the area six cartridges were found close to a black pick-up truck parked nearby. A witness said that the driver was in Hotel Baccarat.

The police also spoke with the man D.B., born in Aruba and the lady D.G., born in Colombia. They declared that two young men threatened them with a gun. The young men were 19 year old E.M. born in the United States of America, and 22 year old N.P.

They were immediately arrested and incarcerated for further investigation. Another witness declared that the two suspects gave the gun to a girl in a black car, who left the scene prior to the police’s arrival."

1,407 posted on 06/22/2005 1:18:12 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

To: maggiefluffs

That's the enterprise system at work....lol. Good grief... it's so damn difficult to know who's who and what's what when we're tourists! At least ya'll had safety in numbers and daylight.

1,408 posted on 06/22/2005 1:18:28 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)

To: maggiefluffs

My question is: Why is a dj wearing a captain's uniform?

Possible answers:

It's not a 'captain's uniform'; it's a Tattoo DJ's work uniform/costume.

If he was wearing a blue t-shirt in the photo, we'd have a hard time seeing him.

He forgot his tee-shirt the day the photo was taken.

His tee-shirt was faded and looked crappy for a photo.

He spilled something on his tee-shirt just before the photo was taken & the 'captain' loaned him his shirt for the photo.

The order for the costumes/ uniforms got screwed up....

What does it matter? It's a party boat.

1,409 posted on 06/22/2005 1:19:28 PM PDT by elli1

Yep, and the day before the front page article was about an AMERICAN expat arrested on a drug charge.

1,410 posted on 06/22/2005 1:21:11 PM PDT by maggief

And Greta & Beth didn't have to plead to speak w/them.

Weeelllllllll, with cameras rolling, they kinda got shamed into the talk. It would have looked real bad if they didn't. jmo

1,411 posted on 06/22/2005 1:21:31 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

To: Rippersnapper

Note, Trappenberg {whom I have a crush on} now admits numerous missing persons on the island.

Ah, so his story is changing, too!

Does anyone on that island speak the truth????

1,412 posted on 06/22/2005 1:22:52 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

.and feel free to edit out all my dangling participles..(g)

If you'd cover them up she wouldn't have to edit them out.

;)

1,413 posted on 06/22/2005 1:24:15 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

Probable answer ... he was acting captain of the boat, though it may have been moored.

The other answers are ridiculous, IMHO.

1,414 posted on 06/22/2005 1:25:11 PM PDT by maggief

To: Rippersnapper

it's pretty easy for a punk to steal one..right off the cab beside it

1,416 posted on 06/22/2005 1:26:13 PM PDT by vigilante2

To: maggiefluffs; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

arbeej

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Re: HELP - POLICE?! how to contact?!

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AAAAAAUUUUUUGHHHHH! I just wrote the longest post ever and somehow deleted it in the preview stage. I'll try to cover the same bases but don't have much time now.

I was surprised too last night when the roommate said Natalee didn't meet Joran until that day. We actually didn't hear that she HAD met him earlier until a week or more into this, but it had made sense to us and so we believed it.

BUT while *Natalee* apparently didn't meet him until earlier that day, others still had seen him in the hotel a lot during the week. Likely there had to have been some interaction among other teens in the casino. There have been no inconsistencies to date as to events *actually witnessed.* The inconsistencies rise from all of us repeating what others have said that others told them someone saw -- know what I mean? Some of the stories haven't been traced to the original source.

Reports about Joran have indicated two different sides: 1) super nice guy, 2) teen with anger management issues. It would not be inconsistent for some from MB to have benign or positive impressions while others saw him differently. Not all the teens saw or even heard about the shoving match. We didn't know til we saw it in the paper.

Likewise, not everyone saw all the same events. It does not mean they did not happen. For example, my daughter was in C&C's from around 11 or a little before and stayed til closing. She was puzzled when she heard that Natalee had been sick in the bathroom, because she herself did not *see* or even hear about *anyone* being sick in the bathroom, even though the club isn't all that big. A tourist couple says it was Natalee being sick and her friends were helping her. It turns out that someone matching Nat's description on the trip (80% of them match Nat's description!) had indeed been sick. We in the community now know who the girl was because she and her friends confirmed this up at the church. It wasn't Natalee, even though the tourists *believed* that's who they saw (= eyewitness report). But it *did* happen -- at least as far as a MB girl being sick -- even though some of the girls at the club did not at first believe it (= eyewitness report). Lots of inconsistencies there -- but none deliberate or technically false... except the i.d., which was an understandable mistake.

We are also surprised that no one -- at least to the knowledge of the few kids I talked to -- can pinpoint who *actually* saw Natalee get in the car and who *actually* saw her waving as they drove by. By the time the first group was leaving Aruba, at least a dozen kids were consistently repeating the story that she had been seen getting in the car and then seen (by same or others) driving by and waving. One of Beth's first statements to the press said 20-40 teens saw her *get in.* But as we try to pin it down -- "you heard it from whom who heard it from whom" and so on -- we (I mean me & the few I've spoken with) still haven't found any of the original sources.

One news reporter told me he had pre-interviewed one of these eyewitnesses very early in the case, but as the teen had not as yet been questioned by the FBI, he backed out of speaking on-air. The reporter would not say his name (amazing). And of course we do know *someone* saw it because the suspects themselves corroborated the witness accounts. The boys *did* leave C&C's with Natalee in the car described.

FYI, some students were questioned by the FBI very early and some others later. I'd say 90% had already been questioned when they called my daughter in some time ago. The agents would not let me accompany her any further than the building's foyer. Also, the agents did *not* ask her *not* to speak to media or others. But that doesn't mean others weren't asked not to. None of us knows who was or wasn't banned from talking.

On these boards, most of us have seen the same interviews on tv. But how many questions here have shown discrepancies in what we thought we heard and how some others have relayed it on the board? How many times have we asked, "Did so and say say *this*? I can't remember..." There are about 150 people involved in the story to some degree. There is always going to be confusion on some issues.

Here's an example: On Greta's interview the other night, was her last question to my daughter "Do you know who saw Natalee after you spoke to her?" Or was it, "Did anyone see Natalee after you spoke to her?" She swears the question was the first, to which she answered "no" -- consistent with what she has said all along (and relayed by me to this board from the beginning). But *I* heard the question as the latter -- to which her response of "no" could not be an accurate answer.

So it's not hard to see how easily inconsistencies can pop up under all these circumstances. And now that I'm tired as I type & may be confused as to what I wrote before & whether I got it in this version as well, I may have left out a word or a line which will make *this* confusing &/or inconsistent, too!

I hope we will know all the answers soon.

P.S. regarding earlier questions:

Natalee's dad and stepmother ARE in Aruba. They have been interviewed but not often. They live in Mississippi.

1,417 posted on 06/22/2005 1:27:02 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

I don't care about the why's either and I'll never blame Natalee. Tropical islands give the aura of safety and romance. She's a young girl, and like I said before here, I accepted a ride from a local, island fellow I had just met and everything turned out fine. We are still friends 35 years later.

One or more of the boys know what happened. I suspect the VDS boy, but unless Natalee's body is located (and I do think she's dead) VDS can do a Scott Peterson, and hope that forensics doesn't link him.

I think it's safe to assume it wasn't premediated murder, so there's bound to be "something" left behind.

1,418 posted on 06/22/2005 1:27:51 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)

I'm not wondering why she got in the car, I'm wondering HOW.

It goes to motive and premeditation.

1,419 posted on 06/22/2005 1:27:53 PM PDT by maggief

Saw 2 of NH's friends on one of the news shows last night, & they said, in the casino, joran never paid any attention to NH.

joran was playing black jack & didn't pay attention to anyone, even tho, NH had stopped at the table, introduced herself and left.

1,420 posted on 06/22/2005 1:31:40 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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