Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

 

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;TexKat;theophilusscribe

 

[Howlin]

At least 18 people have been killed in a canyoning accident in central Switzerland.



Another six are injured and at least three people are still missing, feared dead.

Earlier reports that another body had been found in the water turned out to be false.

A local police spokesman said the victims came from Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Canada, the United States, South Africa and Switzerland.



John Mcintyre : "High risk adventure turned to grief"
The police said the victims were among a party of 45 tourists canyoning with eight guides in the Saxeten Bach Gorge near the resort of Interlaken.

The police said it would take "days or weeks" until all the victims were identified.

Most of the fatalities suffered injuries to the head and the canyonists were all wearing identical protective gear - so dental records will have to be used for identification.

Dangerous sport

Canyoning is an adventure sport which involves climbing down gorges, and body surfing down mountain rapids and waterfalls without a raft.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/405497.stm

[alrea]

Remember in John Grisham's THE FIRM how the undertone of helplessness ran through most of the book. That is the same feeling I get When I see these "officials" on TV

false reports of bodies found and confessions is probably officials responding to their higher authorities; they can't quite fix it.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Cajungirl, did you feel the hair stand up on the back of you neck? If so, then you sensed the real evil that permeates from the (real Aruba). NSNR

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Aruban arkincide. NSNR

[eleni121]

The Aruban media is very defensive. They have published all kinds of letters defending Aruba's "integrity" and blaming racist Americans for criticizing Aruba. One letter writer from California even blamed the situation on President Bush. Another letter writer from New Jersey criticizes those who criticize the Aruban police.

[TexKat]

From SM, I am not sure that this Charlie's Bar is still active. Researching.

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:20 am Post subject:

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For a more local flavor, head to the city of San Nicolas, which has many bars and social clubs. Charlie’s Bar, Aruba’s most famous bar, harkens back to San Nicolas’ past as an oil refinery city.

here's something many people don't know about Aruba:

prositution is legal & government regulated in San Nicolas (the Southern tip of the island)... when you drive past the airport (coming from Oranjestad... which is where the high-rise hotels are) you pass a whole string of "Chinese resurants" which are actually brothels.

Charlies Bar is a brothel...

San Nicolas is the red light district,..legalized prostitution, only,..the authorities arent complying with screening the call girls,..they are being dropped off from other countries and not being tracked,..the Chines restaurants on the strip near Charlies,..and charlies is the most famous brothel, are all brothels,..Columbian prostitutes, and the ones that aren't tagged by the government pass through on their way to other places, Aruba ids the drop off spot....this is from OFFICIAL SOURCES,..the gov on Aruba has not complied SINCE 2004!!!

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:40 am Post subject:

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the bar they were headed to, Mumbo Jumbo's,..is a place where call girls hang out,..Carlos and Charlies is known from Texas to South America as a hot spot,..they are in all the college town Spring Break Tourist traps,.the first place where the cruise ships drop the tourists, Exstace is a concern on the island, the locals know where to get it,..in the Hot Zone,..Carlos N Charlies specializes in a wild party atmosphere,..lost of local men know what happens there and after the bar gets out, I never said Carlos N Charlies was a brothel,.it's in the HOT ZONE< as known by locals,..they KNOw they can count on tourist action after these single unchaperoned women are leaving drunk..I'm trying to clue you in,..the LE knows this...this is a bigger story than one missing woman,...In a few days of this story breaking people were outraged that anyone would even attempt to point a finger at lax police involvement,..but there is a bigger story,.there is more than drinking going on,..and yes, in CANCUN they have the same problem,..women getting EXSTACY in a drink FROM the bartenders,..

[elli1]

Lots of 'cowboys' in Central & South America, too. And, in the case of the Hollywood B movie Westerns, the 'cowboys' almost always wore the white hats and meant well even if they were sometimes a tad hasty to saddle up and ride out to save the day.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

I wonder if the LEA has checked the jurors bank accounts for some rather large deposits prior to or after the MJ verdict was read?

[blub]

he is the editor of El Diario and this piece cajungirl posted, fingered that paper as the mouthpiece of the gov't.

Hmmmm, that's interesting.  I found something else related to Aruba mass media/communications. 

I don't know if this particular "Croes" guy is related, but they may also have control over a major radio station on the island.  Does Rudy Croes have a brother named Edmond?

 

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:YF3cj9cJ-3wJ:www.arubaam.com/~victor/am24dec04.pdf+www.arubaam.com+croes&hl=en

 Premier Nelson Oduber presents plaque to Edmond Croes of Top 95

In connection with the 10th anniversary of the radio station Top 95.1 a Government and Parliament delegation paid a special visit to the studios to congratulate the staff and personnel with the milestone.

Prime Minister Oduber presented a plaque to the dynamic director Mr. Edmond Croes recognizing his efforts and dedication to make Top 95.1 one of the most popular radio stations on the island. The Prime Minister wished the station many more years of existence in providing the community with good music and objective news.

 

Coincidentally, this is the 3rd Croes Google search webpage I've found where the original link no longer works and you have to use the Google cached copy.  Probably just a coincidence.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

This person(juror)looks like she belongs in a mental ward. A fool's fool. NSNR

[TexKat]

Bump. I was reading last night on SM that this guy has posted to a lot of the females on the site.

waitingtoknow

Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 166
Location: Mississippi

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:18 am Post subject:

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Hi all....

about martin's tickle site....When I was looking at Joran and the Brother's websites, I would go to their friend's websites and see what they would say....Martin was a friend or left a message for almost every female that is friends with our "suspects"....seems ick

[the Deejay]

She's the juror I nicknamed,

"The Bobble-Head Juror."

Because when she talks, her head bobbles!

[Howlin]

One letter writer from California even blamed the situation on President Bush.

I'd love to hear the "dots" they used to connect him to THIS!

[sarasota]

Not thinking. No, not thinking at all.

[eleni121]

According to this website nothing happens wihout Mansur's imprimatur. What a corrupt little island!

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

[TexKat]

From SM:

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:19 am Post subject:

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Reuben Trapenberg, an Aruban government spokesman, just said (once again, on MSNBC) that one of the brothers pointed the finger at Croes. This is unconfirmed, but what he has been told.

Also, he said that the police have the information but are not sharing it as that is how their government works.

He said that they don't care about tourism at this point, as indicated by how many events they have cancelled. All they want is to solve this case.

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:32 am Post subject:

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Not too much news . . . fox just reported that the suspects are being transferred from their respective police stations where they are being held to a prison on the island . . . maybe they will start talking!

Fox is running a special on the search for NH at 3pm EST.

[Carolinamom]

I read the site you linked, and I agree..."It is breathtaking to read." It certainly gives the lie to Aruba being an idyllic crime-free island for tourists, especially HS students.

[the Deejay]

All they want is to solve this case.

Translation:

All they want is for this case to go away, so Aruba can get on w/business as usual.

[texasbluebell]

Another name to look out for is Mansur, big family, powerful, possible ties to Casa Nostra. I keep waiting for them to appear.

Hmmm, that's the surname of the editor of the main Aruban newspaper. I made a mental note of his name, for some reason, when he was on Fox the other night.

[TexKat]

From SM:

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject:

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Here are a few things:

Over on Websleuths, one of the Aruban posters is explaining that Max Arends, the student/classmate of Joran's, is NOT the one questioned by police. That was Max Arendsz, whom someone else described as being a drag racer.

This page, http://elektron.et.tudelft.nl/~ensermo/mike/pages/alltogether.htm

the original with the "thin" photo of Steve Croes, describes him (Croes) as "the best and crazyiest [sp] driver I have ever met!"

So perhaps that's the link between these two ....