Posted on 06/02/2005 11:10:04 AM PDT by lizol
Polish TV crew in trouble in Russia 02.06.2005
A Polish diplomat from the Moscow Embassy has gone to Ingushetia to investigate the curcumstances of the detention in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, of three Polish television journalists. After an 8-hour questioning, they had their video cassettes confiscated and were handed over to the Russian Federation security services. They were accused of filming without permission in the region of troops stationing in North Caucasus.
Apaches were not a nation in any modern sense of this word. Chechens were. US army is not treating Apaches the same way as Russian army is treating Chechens. If Americans treated Apaches in this way, I sincerely couldn't feel any objection against their blowing up government buildings in America.
What are you actually talking about?
What A.Pole meant, I think, is that Chechens and Apaches have sth in common - they don't have their own state and they're few left (exaggeration).
We (Poles) didn't have our own state for 123 years. Does it mean that during those years we had no rights and anybody (Russians, Germans,) could do with us what they wanted?
I really believe Americans have good intentions. They are just unable to understand what it means for a nation to be devoid of its own state.
"Both of you are totally ignorant regarding war,"
You mean you are an expert regarding war? What do you mean? You are an expert in killing people, or what?
You have a knack for revisionist history.... And, you really don't understand history and certainly have no clue about Chechen history vis-a-vis Russia, the Soviet Union, and now the Russian Federation. Perhaps you can enlighten us to the history of the Chechenskaya Respublika Ichkeriya and how long they were a legitimate "independent" country?
So, what you're saying is it was perfectly ok for Stalin to be involved and handing German land over to Poles, but not ok when he carved up Poland with Ribbentropp? Hmmm... Explain to me how this is correct? Perhaps my ex-wife's family should go back to Allenstein and reclaim their property? They didn't support the Nazis, but the Polish communists repressed them and kicked them out. You willing to give them back their homeland?
When?
US army is not treating Apaches the same way as Russian army is treating Chechens.
Because US army has solved the Apache problem in XIX century for good.
You're kidding right?
Eastern Germany was given to Poland as a war recompense. You are being deliberately obtuse. You pretend not to see very simple distinctions. Chechnya was CONQUERED. It is a conquered land. Eastern Germany is not.
As for Stalin: it was not OK when he carved up Poland with Hitler, it was not OK when he drove 1,5mln Germans out of their homes. It was very, very NOT OK that there was a World War II.
You're obviously incapable of comparison analysis. Let's put it in simple terms. Poland is occupying historic German lands - they forced Germans out of the area after WWII. Chechnya was conquered after almost a century of fighting by Tsarist Russia. They have been a part of the Tsarist Empire, the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation. Not one legitimate country has recognized "Ichkeriya's" independence. Chechens are Russian citizens, they hold Russian passports, they can vote, they can work, they can do what the hell they want as long as they do not break laws. What you have in Chechnya is akin to Gdansk rebelling and saying we want to rejoin Germany and/or become independent. Gdansk, I bet you'll say, is a Polish town. Therefore, you would probably want to see such an activity quashed. Imagine you sent troops into Gdansk and they fought to a stalemate. Then a popular Polish general negotiated a settlement that provided Gdansk with autonomy, but not independence. The Gdanskians agreed to it, then an upstart group funded by Germans decided to derail the agreement and blew up a couple of apartment buildings in Warsaw - what would you reaction be?
If you sent in troops to quash it and Gdansk terrorists started blowing up various civilian centers in Warsaw you would want Gdansk brought under control no matter how viciously it had to be done.
Comparing Chechens to American Indians is also a faulty analogy.
That is really YOUR problem, Americans. :)
I'm on the Apache side :))
Ha! Funny - Eastern Germany was "given" to Poland as compensation for war, but Chechnya was "conquered"?
Name one friggin' land anywhere in the world that hasn't been conquered and then subsequently made part of the conquering country? Please provide the answer to when Chechnya became part of the Russian Empire... And then you'll realize how friggin' assinine it is to call this a war for independence.
Since it's not ok for the Poles to drive the Germans off of their homeland, will you recompense them or allow them to reclaim their property? Waiting for the answer. My ex-wife's family didn't help the Nazis, so what are they guilty of? Being German in Poland? Isn't that racial cleansing?
Unbelivable...
And do not forget about invading the other provinces while promising the establishment of the Fourth Reich (or Caliphate).
As Bismark said: "Poles are the politicians in poetry and the poets in politics".
What's unbelievable is the amount of caterwauling from leftist Europeans over Chechnya when none of them would tolerate an analogous situation within their own borders. It's ok for Poland to occupy Gdansk, Olsztyn, etc., since it was "war recompense" but wrong for Russia to quell a rebelious republic within their borders? Hypocrites of the world unite!
"Poland is occupying historic German lands"
We have apeace treaty with Germans. They acknowledge that these territiries are ours. Ask them.
"Not one legitimate country has recognized "Ichkeriya's" independence."
Not one country (except Vatican) recognizes Taiwan. Do you mean it would be OK for Chinese to attack this country and slaughter half of its population? For 123 no one recognized our (Polish) independence, but somewhow we are here, hello! We were Russian citizens too. Even Leo Tolstoy (this very enlightened Russian) used to say: those Poles have only one choice: perish or become good Russians. But we are not Russians, damn it! And Chechens are not Russians either.
"What you have in Chechnya is akin to Gdansk rebelling and saying we want to rejoin Germany and/or become independent"
Ther are practically no Germans in Gdansk, for your information.
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