FYI
If China decided to go to war with us we could just not buy the crap they make. They'd be broke in four hours.
Defend Taiwan and strengthen military ties with Japan.
Complete Nonsense.
Kaplan, meet Seawolf.
Before any Chinese vessel came within 500 miles of a US Carrier, it would end up scrap metal at the bottom of the sea. But long before any warships left China, they would be blocked by the smoking carcassus of Chinese Merchant Ships that tried to run our blockade.
For the flying things, meet AEGIS. You just cant escape, baby.
So what's left? Chinese subs? Oh please.
If they attack us, it's nuclear war.
Of course, judging from some of the boneheaded things the Chinese have done in the last 5 years, I don't discount that possibility.
CVX will have laser CIWS.
By cutting off all aid and trade with COMMUNIST China.
Fight? Our entire economy would collapse. Think Walmart, IBM, GM, Pepsi, Coca Cola, even our own soldiers' uniforms...Everything is made in China.
A Chinese cruise missile attack has to penetrate layer after layer after layer of fleet air defense to get to a US carrier.
It would only be psychologically damaging to the MSM. It would enrage and motivate the sailors.
And as the other poster wrote. "meet Aegis" ...
The greatest threat is the diesel subs. They might get off one lucky snap shot before they died.
So they beat us at sea, so what? Just wait until they step on our soil.
EMP them over the eastern seaboard, and let the quite self-sufficient country folk do the civil war work for us. Don't forget SDI is working its way into Japan quickly.
China will be watching for the most likely response from the American voter, may God have mercy on Us!
USA needs to shift our primary alliance to the Asia-Pacific region (China and Japan primarily)and begin to de-emphasize Europe.
Why?
Because Europe is moving toward Islamic influence and nobody will want to or be able to stop it. Europe is/will become the HQ for Islamic terror and they will likely have an Islamic led major nation within 20 years.
China and Japan, on the other hand, despise Islam and will begin to/continue to step up in the WOT, especially as the US-China alliance grows. The Chinese people are primarily pro-American and pro-Western and pro-Capitalism.
The problem with modern day China is a shell government (Chicoms) who probably fear their own military complex as much as they do their burgeoning capitalist society. If we can continue to help their economy grow, the commies will soon be run out of Beijing and there will be change. Sooner is better, before their military gathers any further strength and suffers any political setbacks.
If you piece together some of the comments and quotes on the rest of the thread (up to #37 when I began this post) you will find several reasons and realities that support my observations.
The calculus is simple. They mostly they'll ever get is a cheap shot with no lasting military value, and in return we have all the excuse we need to scuttle every piece of hardware to leave China by sea or air. And we have the ability to play that game for a long time. Other factions in China will overthrow the government while our boys get some exciting target practice off their coastline. We wouldn't even have to land there, we simply create the situation where other internal power factions eat their own.
The Chinese know this. The Chinese also know we aren't the French, and that in a real fight we have both institutional competence, technological prowess, and raw intestinal fortitude to be a very, very expensive enemy.
Let me put it another way: The Chinese outnumber us 3-to-1. Can you remember a war when the US military didn't have a battlefield conversion ratio vastly higher than that?
I think the technology of the future will be unmanned drones and technology that will be able to control the processes of the earth such as weather and harmonic frequencies....AKA earthquake creation.
I have no doubts that the US is so far ahead in these technologies that the governments of the world would not and could not resist our NEW WORLD ORDER.
Our order is better than theirs that's for sure.
A couple yrs old but
A Dangerous Dance with China
William R. Hawkins
Wednesday, February 27, 2002
The recent meeting between President George W. Bush and Chinese President Jiang Zemin in Beijing was cordial, but uneventful. The biggest news was how well Jiang danced with First Lady Laura Bush. Behind this facade, however, is a two-step dance of another sort.
Beijing is clearly not prepared to give an inch on any of the issues which divide the two Asian powers. On key matters – proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, missile defense, and Taiwan – the two sides remained at loggerheads.
Even benign statements, such as Jiang’s “We want the Korean Peninsula to have peace and stability,” were indicative of conflicting views. In diplomatic language “peace and stability” means a continuation of the status quo, in particular the survival of the heavily militarized North Korean dictatorship. China supplies North Korea with components and expertise for its ballistic missile program and uses Pyongyang to covertly smuggle Chinese missile technology to other rogue states.
In regard to the survival of another “axis of evil” regime, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, Jiang again endorsed the status quo saying, “I think as I made clear in my discussion with President Bush, just now, the important thing is that peace is to be valued most.” A number of reports indicate that Chinese experts are helping to rebuild Iraq's air defense and radar systems, using advanced telecommunications to link them with underground command centers.
Beijing has recently held naval maneuvers in the East China Sea to bully Taiwan. And Chinese interceptors have again been harassing American patrol aircraft flying over the South China Sea, recalling the crisis of last April when a U.S. Navy EP-3 reconnaissance plane was forced down on Hainan island.
A prominent circle of Chinese military thinkers and Communist intellectuals believe that Beijing needs to demonstrate its strength, rather than look meek in the wake of the American demonstration of power in Afghanistan.
Yet, Beijing’s claims to great power status are built on sand. China lacks the economic development it needs to support the regime’s ambitions to dominate Asia and overthrow American “hegemony.”
Peter Nolan is Sinyi Professor of Chinese Management at Cambridge University and a consultant to many American corporations operating in China. In a recent study published in the Cambridge Economics Journal, Nolan argues that while large Chinese enterprises have undergone extensive change, they are still behind American firms in such strategic sectors as aerospace, telecommunications, advanced manufacturing and energy generation.
Here is where the second step of U.S.-China minuet comes in, turning the exercise into a dance macabre. President Bush has ample evidence to confirm his earlier characterization of Beijing as a “strategic competitor.” Yet, he continues to facilitate the transfer of money, industrial capacity, and technology to China in ways that will aid its development as a threat to the United States and its Asian allies.
Just before Bush left for China, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick spoke to the U.S.-China Business Council. After praising the council’s influence in Congress for keeping the U.S. market open to Chinese exports, Zoellick laid out the benefits to China from “opening” to foreign investors: “One quarter of the world’s desktop computers are already manufactured in China, and one half of the world’s CD-ROMs. Within this decade, China will become the world’s largest supplier of IT [information technology] hardware. It will be the location of choice for IT assembly. It is becoming a design and development partner, and will challenge Taiwan as a semiconductor production center.” Rather than view these trends with alarm, Zoellick declared, “China’s spectacular growth in the last twenty-five years....could serve as a model to others.”
Since the Beijing summit, Commerce Secretary Don Evans has announced a trade mission to China in late April. Evans will take business executives from a number of sectors, including telecommunications, energy, information technology, and construction equipment to Beijing and Shanghai.
Telecommunications is a critical strategic industry in the age of “information warfare” as shown by the kind of sophisticated military operations U.S. forces are conducting in Afghanistan and elsewhere. China clearly wants similar capabilities, and sees American firms as the source for the needed technology and expertise. Two of the leading suppliers to Beijing of telecommunications are Motorola and Global Crossing.
Motorola is perhaps the largest single foreign investor in China, with over $1.5 billion placed in both production and research facilities. Global Crossing formed a joint venture with China’s Hutchison Whampoa in 1999. The new enterprise, which centers on Global Crossing’s broadband capabilities, has laid some 250,000 miles of fibre optic cable throughout China.
When Global Crossing initiated restructuring under a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing on January 28, Hutchison Whampoa and Singapore Technologies Telemedia made a $750 million cash investment for a joint majority stake in the company.
What has been the Bush Administration reaction to the high-tech development of China by these two corporations? Recently, President Bush appointed Christopher Galvin, CEO of Motorola, and Thomas Casey, a former CEO of Global Crossing still affiliated with the company, to seats on the National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee. NSTAC deals with the government's ability to protect America’s information infrastructure from threats and vulnerabilities that might endanger the country's national and economic security.
Both Galvin and Casey have every incentive to continue sharing telecommunications technology with China rather than have its proliferation controlled in the name of national security. Indeed, Casey represents a firm now mainly in foreign hands. Their “advice” will surely be to turn a blind eye to the practices of their own companies in helping China.
The Bush Administration has not been able to choose between the need to protect American security from a rising China, and its desire to please corporate supporters who are helping China rise. President Bush needs to decide who is going to lead on the foreign policy dance floor, before somebody trips and falls.