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To: hedgetrimmer
The Chinese navy is poised to push out into the Pacific—and when it does, it will very quickly encounter a U.S. Navy and Air Force unwilling to budge from the coastal shelf of the Asian mainland.

Complete Nonsense.

Kaplan, meet Seawolf.

Before any Chinese vessel came within 500 miles of a US Carrier, it would end up scrap metal at the bottom of the sea. But long before any warships left China, they would be blocked by the smoking carcassus of Chinese Merchant Ships that tried to run our blockade.

For the flying things, meet AEGIS. You just cant escape, baby.

So what's left? Chinese subs? Oh please.

8 posted on 05/10/2005 6:21:44 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
This scenario is utter nonsense. Our subs would literally sink every Chinese ship that is blue water capable within 5 minutes. We would have total air superiority within a week. The next generation artillery that Rummy cancled the Crusader for would leave their tanks smoldering ruins. It would be a massacre from that point forward.

This holds up for the next 20 years. Then where are they going? By then the Japanese will be up to speed, the Taiwanese and South Koreans are tough as nails, the Indians (who have a surprisingly decent navy), and the Eastern Europeans will have caught up and have forward NATO deployment bases. The Chicomms will collapse by then.

If they were smart, they would strike now while we are preoccupied in the midle east and before the Japanese ramp up.

21 posted on 05/10/2005 6:36:17 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Stop voter fraud-enact voter ID cards with photos w/ magnetic stripes that prevent multiple voting)
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To: Pukin Dog
If Chinese are studying math, physics and science while our own generation is studying sexual perversion...and if China is a creditor nation while we are a debtor nation...and if China is bigger than us...why wouldn't they kick our asses in a few years?

Of course, what do I know? I'm just a has been, Reagan era military analyst. (But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!)

24 posted on 05/10/2005 6:37:10 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Pukin Dog
That's now.

Give them a few decades.

83 posted on 05/10/2005 7:23:53 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Before any Chinese vessel came within 500 miles of a US Carrier, it would end up scrap metal at the bottom of the sea. But long before any warships left China, they would be blocked by the smoking carcassus of Chinese Merchant Ships that tried to run our blockade.

For the flying things, meet AEGIS. You just cant escape, baby.

So what's left? Chinese subs? Oh please

Bingo! That's why this whole scenario is very unlikely.

90 posted on 05/10/2005 7:27:46 PM PDT by NewLand (Faith in The Lord trumps all!)
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To: Pukin Dog
We're in the decade of an economic war.

The PRC is making money to upgrade its pathetic Air and Naval forces; doing it with greenbacks. And using N Korea as a wildcard, threatening Japan and Taiwan.

The PRC doesn't have the capabilities yet; read Sun Tzu. They're drawing us into "Fatal Ground".

Go back to 1961. The Soviets pulled the same sh*t with Cuba. Everyone called it a draw except Castro. But this time the PRC has allies in an oblique attack; the Iranians and the fascist Islamists as well as the screwball in NK.

172 posted on 05/10/2005 9:27:33 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: Pukin Dog; hedgetrimmer
Before any Chinese vessel came within 500 miles of a US Carrier, it would end up scrap metal at the bottom of the sea. But long before any warships left China, they would be blocked by the smoking carcassus of Chinese Merchant Ships that tried to run our blockade.

"The Chinese might employ nuclear-armed anti-ship missiles and torpedoes, fired from submarines or surface ships, but I think her little surprise for us may be nastier. Kaplan briefly mentions that China "may eventually be able to lob missiles accurately at moving ships in the Pacific" from deep in Chinese territory. I think those missiles, ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads, may be ready now – perhaps with a bit of clandestine targeting assistance from a Russia whose sphere of influence the United States is aggressively invading.

The Chinese way of war is indirect. In most cases, that means China will engage us with "soft power," as she is already doing on multiple fronts. But in the case of American intervention in a Taiwan crisis, what if a Chinese ballistic missile popped a nuke say, 100 miles from an advancing American carrier battle group? No one gets hurt, but the message would be loud and clear: keep coming and you're toast.

If we kept coming anyway and the Chinese did nuke a carrier, we would immediately face an asymmetrical situation. How would we respond? By nuking a Chinese carrier? China doesn't have any. If we drop a nuke on Chinese territory, we have initiated a strategic nuclear exchange. Is Taiwan worth Seattle or L.A.?"

277 posted on 05/20/2005 10:31:42 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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