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There are valid criticisms of evolution
Wichita Eagle ^ | 3/9/2005 | David berlinski

Posted on 03/09/2005 1:46:32 PM PST by metacognative

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There are valid criticisms of evolution

BY DAVID BERLINSKI

"If scientists do not oppose anti-evolutionism," said Eugenie Scott, the executive director of the National Council on Science Education, "it will reach more people with the mistaken idea that evolution is scientifically weak."

Scott's understanding of "opposition" had nothing to do with reasoned discussion. It had nothing to do with reason at all. Discussing the issue was out of the question. Her advice to her colleagues was considerably more to the point: "Avoid debates."

Everyone else had better shut up.

In this country, at least, no one is ever going to shut up, the more so since the case against Darwin's theory retains an almost lunatic vitality. Consider:

• The suggestion that Darwin's theory of evolution is like theories in the serious sciences -- quantum electrodynamics, say -- is grotesque. Quantum electrodynamics is accurate to 13 unyielding decimal places. Darwin's theory makes no tight quantitative predictions at all.

• Field studies attempting to measure natural selection inevitably report weak-to-nonexistent selection effects.

• Darwin's theory is open at one end, because there is no plausible account for the origins of life.

• The astonishing and irreducible complexity of various cellular structures has not yet successfully been described, let alone explained.

• A great many species enter the fossil record trailing no obvious ancestors, and depart leaving no obvious descendants.

• Where attempts to replicate Darwinian evolution on the computer have been successful, they have not used classical Darwinian principles, and where they have used such principles, they have not been successful.

• Tens of thousands of fruit flies have come and gone in laboratory experiments, and every last one of them has remained a fruit fly to the end, all efforts to see the miracle of speciation unavailing.

• The remarkable similarity in the genome of a great many organisms suggests that there is at bottom only one living system; but how then to account for the astonishing differences between human beings and their near relatives -- differences that remain obvious to anyone who has visited a zoo?

If the differences between organisms are scientifically more interesting than their genomic similarities, of what use is Darwin's theory, since its otherwise mysterious operations take place by genetic variations?

These are hardly trivial questions. Each suggests a dozen others. These are hardly circumstances that do much to support the view that there are "no valid criticisms of Darwin's theory," as so many recent editorials have suggested.

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TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwinism; science
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To: VadeRetro
I don't see where you "integrate" the increasing angle of photon impact on the daylight half as one moves away from the area of most direct illumination.

Which impact is directly offset by my balding head.

301 posted on 03/09/2005 7:51:33 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: metacognative

As much Creationists who stubbornly hold onto the myth of Adam and Eve.


302 posted on 03/09/2005 7:51:42 PM PST by PFC
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To: VadeRetro
It's not about WHY.

Why? Is this an interrogative science is disallowed?

303 posted on 03/09/2005 7:54:38 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Mongeaux
Merlot makes us smarter. Not to mention better able to handle thoughts about nekkid womenfolk.
304 posted on 03/09/2005 7:56:29 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I always wear a hat outdoors to keep the Earth in its orbit.


305 posted on 03/09/2005 7:57:21 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Mongeaux
Sorry,

I thought your were an art history student. All I did was test the hypothesis that the Earth was 1 billion years old and I disproved it.

Think about it. Do you really believe the Earth has been in the solar system for 1 billion years. The solar system is an incredibly violent place. Just a few years ago we saw a comet smash into Jupiter. That comet would of flattened the Earth if it hit it. We have only been looking into the Solar System for 100 years or so and we saw 1 potential planet destroying event. A billion years is a long time. During this time the Earth would of been pushed by the Sun's light, solar flares, asteroids, comets, etc. There is no way its orbit would of remained constant. It is impossible.

F H
306 posted on 03/09/2005 7:57:46 PM PST by Fish Hunter
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To: Fester Chugabrew
There is no why. There is what and how.
307 posted on 03/09/2005 7:58:01 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

"nekkid womenfolk"

They have those?
I gotta get me one!

If Merlot make us smarter then I am Einstein, Boyle, Copernicus AND Homer (Simpson)!

DOH!


308 posted on 03/09/2005 7:58:45 PM PST by Mongeaux
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To: dirtboy
I'll pass on the anti-Christian bigotry, thank you.

Good on ya DB.

309 posted on 03/09/2005 7:59:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Mongeaux
Smarter but sleepier. Out for the night. Try to hold 'em.
310 posted on 03/09/2005 7:59:32 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Sofa King
That's because that is an unscientific statement. Science is never 100% absolutely cannot be wrong.

And that means there's always room for valid criticism, so it's kind of puzzling what all the fuss is about.

311 posted on 03/09/2005 7:59:44 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ValenB4; xzins
How does one measure evidence for design? What are the objective criteria? There aren't any. It's entirely subjective. Therefore, ID cannot be considered part of the scientific realm.

The Scientific realm has recently found that Second Hand Smoke Causes Breast Cancer

With crap like that being passed of as legitimate science, your appeal to science as a harbinger of "truth" is not likely to carry much weight.

312 posted on 03/09/2005 8:00:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: xzins; ValenB4
Thank you so much for the ping and the excellent analogy! ValenB4, in the reply, you asked:

How does one measure evidence for design? What are the objective criteria? There aren't any. It's entirely subjective.

There is evidence, which is not subjective, that points to a failure of the randomness pillar in the original formulation of "random mutations + natural selections > species". It suggests that the process is not happenstance but directed towards some end.

That evidence is "master control genes" which are particularly underscored in the discovery of eyelessness evolving concurrently among phyla - especially vertebrates and invertebrates. (Gehring, et al)

Some of the mathematicians (Wolfram, Rocha, etc.) who have entered the debate have suggested the correct formulation is more like autonomous biological self-organizating complexity - which is based on the von Neumann cellular automata model.

Nevertheless, if the CA model is correct it must begin with an algorithm at inception (basic rules for self-organizing complexity) which in itself would be proof of intelligent design.

In addition to this difficulty with happenstance, evolution so far has no explanation for the rise of semiosis (language, encoding/decoding of DNA or RNA), autonomy and complexity (by whichever means you choose - self-organizing, Kolmogorov, physical, functional, specified, etc.).

My personal favorite though is that evolution has no explanation for the rise and continuance of successful communications (Shannon, information) in molecular machines.

In the absence of an explanation by materialists, the Occam's Razor choice is intelligent design.

313 posted on 03/09/2005 8:04:00 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: P-Marlowe

If science is not a "harbinger of truth", then why do ID backers want to insist it IS a scientific theory? Can't have it both ways.


314 posted on 03/09/2005 8:04:30 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman
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To: VadeRetro
I always wear a hat outdoors to keep the Earth in its orbit.

To think I owe a steady earth to none other than he who offsets my baldheadedness. Thank you. Just remember it's okay to go hatless outdoors in the dark.

315 posted on 03/09/2005 8:04:54 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: P-Marlowe

"With crap like that being passed of as legitimate science, your appeal to science as a harbinger of "truth" is not likely to carry much weight."

Sure, Science doesn't work. Forget Heart Transplants and Antibiotics. Cars and Telephones. 24 Hours of The Home Shopping Network watched on satellite by tribes in Swaziland.

Garbage, all of it.


316 posted on 03/09/2005 8:05:24 PM PST by Mongeaux
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To: tacticalogic

The fuss is all about the fact that the "valid criticisms" are never scientific in nature, and rarely even apply to the theory of evolution (ie, the constant describing of evolution as random).


317 posted on 03/09/2005 8:06:27 PM PST by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: betty boop

It is becoming exciting as we begin to see more and more good minds begin to focus on these issues.


318 posted on 03/09/2005 8:07:51 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Stability of Ribose and Other Sugars "

"It is apparent that ribose cannot be synthesized from formaldehyde by the Butlerow reaction in yields substantially higher than other pentoses and hexoses. Related syntheses may possibly give higher yields of ribose. However, sugars are known to be unstable in aqueous solution, but there are no kinetic data available. We therefore have measured the rate of decomposition of ribose at 60 to 120° and pH's between 4 and 8. The half-life of ribose at 100° and pH 7 is 73 minutes and 34 years at 0°. These results show that ribose is too unstable for prebiotic use unless it is used immediately after its synthesis. The other pentoses and hexoses decompose at a rate approximately proportional to their free aldehyde content. It therefore seems unlikely that sugars could have played a role in the first informational macromolecules." Professor Stanley Miller

319 posted on 03/09/2005 8:11:13 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: VadeRetro
The sun's output was contained in the calculations on:

http://www.asterism.org/tutorials/tut21-1.htm

I used the light density at 1 AU (Earth's orbit). I do not need to go into that detail because even if I am way off, there is no getting around 294 trillion miles. I used a reflectivity of 50%, lets say you are correct about all this and we can reduce it by a factor of ten, you will still get an orbital shift of 29 trillion kilometers! Throw all the stones you want, but when the dust settles you will see that there is no way the Earth can be 1 billion years old, let alone 10 million years.

F H
320 posted on 03/09/2005 8:11:56 PM PST by Fish Hunter
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