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Guns, God and the American Flag - (Yankees & Southerners)
BACONS REBELLION.COM ^ | OCTOBER 6, 2003 | JAMES ATTICUS BOWDEN

Posted on 02/24/2005 4:02:20 PM PST by CHARLITE

Howard Dean and Yankee Democrats don't have a clue what it means to be a Southerner. It's not about Confederate flags. It's about honor, family, self reliance and American patriotism.

Who are these Confederate voters that Vermonter Howard Dean wants to represent? Is Jefferson Davis on the ballot again? I thought he was dead, along with the Confederate States of America. Hey, I’m a Southerner, why didn’t I get the memo? Duh, Dean was just being "hisself", a Yankee liberal, describing voters as he sees people – divided by race, class and gender. What a hoot. Liberals imagine identity politics fit real people. Dean should listen to Yellow Dawg Democrat Zell Miller.

Confederate Voter is the wrong term. Democrats covet the White Southern Voter. True, the white Southerner majority’s ancestors were Confederates, but that provides the wrong connotation – slavery, segregation and racism – that doesn’t fit the present and the future. The South is different from the rest of the country in significant measures, but the distinction isn’t "Confederate", it’s simply "The South". Yankees and liberals just don’t get it, although Dean did stumble over truth when he talked down to Southerners to get over “race, guns, God and gays.” Behind "race, guns, God and gays" are issues based on values.

The South is about deep-fried shared values, history, and identity. Better universities have courses on Southern culture. Psychologists can test for regional attitude and behavior differences. The differences matter when Southerners vote. If only the liberals could understand that complex thoughts –- not easy divisions of race, class and gender –- reside in the heads of most Southerners. Liberals shouldn’t forget that Southern culture encourages a fierce passion for ideas held as right. Over 300,000 dead Yankees learned that lesson.

Here are some ideas held in common:

Slavery, segregation and racism are wrong. They are sins against God. There are white, black and other racists. None are respected.

The Confederate battle flag is a racist symbol only to racists, demagogues (liberals, thus Democrats), and dummies. To Southerners, Confederate symbols stand for courage, sacrifice, and fidelity. The people who want to oppress the Cross of St. Andrew want to suppress the Cross of Jesus.

The American flag is the highest national symbol and beloved above all else.

There are absolute truths, unchanging and yet always relevant, in the Holy Bible, the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

The Bible Belt is buckled by people who actually read the Bible, believe it and evangelize it more than any other region. From a Biblical world view come the values that count.

Ten Commandments. Our culture and laws are based on our Judeo-Christian values. Historical fact is not hate, nor is it "imposing" beliefs, nor is it a separation-of-church-and-state issue. It’s a free-speech and freedom-of-religion issue. This issue draws from the same power as Martin Luther and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Watch out.

Family First. Your name is all you have really in life. You can not shame your last name – your People. Honor is personal, familial and real.

Love the Land. Hunting, fishing, and animals are all part of good stewardship, using and preserving our natural blessings.

Men and Women are different for good purposes. Men should be gentlemen. Women should be ladies. Marriage is between one man and one woman only.

Sexual sins are wrong. Adultery, homosexuality, incest and bestiality are all wrong. Tolerate homosexuals -- they’re your kin -- but don’t honor them.

Fight when right. Serving in the military is an honor. Fighting for freedom is worth the cost – no matter what.

Defend yourself. We have a right and duty to defend our persons, our family and home and neighbors with whatever it takes, including personal firearms.

Leave us alone. Tax less, govern less, nanny less, lecture less, because we want the individual freedom for our family, our property, our opportunity, our liberty to prosper.

Crime leads to poverty. Poverty doesn’t cause crime. Our ancestors built something from nothing and re-built it again after destruction. Better to earn your way in life than take a handout. Better to be poor and free than rich and slave.

We are Americans first. We are Federalists who believe in the Constitution as it was intended, not as it has become with the Judicial Oligarchy and Federal Behemoth. We don’t want to be ruled by the U.N. or anybody else. We don’t give a damn what foreigners think of us. And, frankly, my dear, we don’t give a damn what Yankees think of us (and that really bothers them).

We are conservatives based on convictions. We are not loyal to any Party, as much as to our Principles.

The Democrats can con Southern voters like Bill Clinton did. But, the Democrats are on the wrong side of ACW II (the Great U.S. Culture War, 1962-TBD) for the South. A few factors can change that:

If Southern culture, fueled by Christian evangelism, is ascending, then the immigrant invasion (foreign and Northern) will add to the Southern census - and conservative votes - after each generation of assimilation.

If the Liberal Cultural Cleansing, most ruthless in government schools, is gaining and Southerners are weak enough to surrender, then Liberals can win elections.

If blacks ever get off the Democrat plantation, then the South will explode as a conservative haven, hope and success. Progress is so slow in this emancipation. Yet, the irony is how Southern values – white and black are so close. We are united more by culture than we are divided by race.

As a Republican, I’m glad that Dean and the Democrats think talking slowly means you’re stupid. As a man actually named "Bubba" all my life, I’m proud to be disdained by any non-Southerner - and non-conservative, non-camily, anti-evangelical Christian - "youse guys".

October 6, 2003

James Atticus Bowden has specialized in inter- disciplinary, long-range "futures" studies for more than a decade. He is employed by a Defense Department contractof for the Future Combat Systems. A 1972 graduate of the United States Military Academy, he is a retired Army Infantry Officer. He earned graduate degrees from Harvard University and Columbia University. He holds two elected Republican Party positions in Virginia.

Mr. Bowden's e-mail address is: jatticus@aol.com


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To: M. Espinola
beacuse i want you to head over to DU and leave the smarter people here alone.free dixie,sw
121 posted on 05/02/2005 8:31:51 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola

because i want you to head over to DU and leave the smarter people here alone.free dixie,sw


122 posted on 05/02/2005 8:32:03 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie; M. Espinola
you are OBVIOUSLY a FOOL & i fear a RACIST as well.

Calling someone a racist is quite a charge. Care to back it up with any evidence?

123 posted on 05/02/2005 8:45:17 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman
sadly i cannot NOW, as the "admin moderator" removed his comment #645.

you might drop a note to the "admin mod" & ask if you can read his comment. then judge for yourself.

it would suit me FINE, as i like "outing" RACISTS.

free dixie,sw

124 posted on 05/02/2005 8:53:34 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Modernman
HELLO??? anyone there????

did you ask the "admin mod" to let you read #645????

free dixie,sw

125 posted on 05/02/2005 9:13:56 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Modernman; All
HELLO??? anyone out there???

nothing but SILENCE.

one wonders if "modernman" doesn't wish he hadn't asked me for "evidence" of m.eSPINola's RACIST comment????

rotflmRao!

free dixie,sw

126 posted on 05/02/2005 9:34:18 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Modernman

Stand has a real bad habit of calling a number of people on FR 'racists', 'bigots', 'damnyankess', 'fools', plus countless other derogatory terms. Maybe he can't help being rude, who knows.


127 posted on 05/02/2005 9:48:33 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola; stand watie

I once asked SW whether one can believe that the North was in the right during the Civil War and not be a "DamnYankee."

He's never given me a response.

That leads me to conclude that in SW's eyes, unless one agrees that the CSA was pure, noble and completely in the right and that the North was full of child-molesting war-criminals who wanted nothing more than to deflower every Southern maiden they came upon, then that person is by default a "DamnYankee."


128 posted on 05/02/2005 10:43:45 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman
What you said is correct. 'Stand' is a classic living example of a minor problem yet a boisterous one. We must recall diehard 'neo-confederates' exhibit cult like response to all questions pertaining to the Civil War. It's similar to reading off a script when making a comparative study on 'neo-confeds' posting statements on FR.

There are two factors involved with the 'neo-confederate' mindset. First, an examination of typical statements & response indicate serious generational issues which can only rectified through education for the younger ones if caught in a 'neo-confederate household.

The second point being is directed at those already totaly immersed in this extremist way of thinking. Total exposure & rejection of all hard-core 'neo-confederates' coupled with their printed material (propaganda) must continue from within the ranks of the GOP. There is already an existing effort underway in many states. A number of the worst 'neo-confeds' overlap into the more dangerous supremacist groups would be classified as independents or do not bother to even vote.

In the majority of states this element is either an unknown or treated as a bad joke, but if rigid secessionists & segregationists are discovered the image of the GOP in general is harmed since leftist Dems in the media will make noise attempting to tag every Republican as holding these adverse views.

129 posted on 05/02/2005 1:34:09 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Modernman; M. Espinola; All
i note that "m.eSPINola" has NOT apologized for his RACIST comment about American Indians culture & religious traditions.

neither has "modernman" apologized for questioning why i said it about m.eSPINola.

so once again, i'll give BOTH of you a chance to say,"I'M SORRY", but i won't hold my breath till either of you do. i fear neither of you are that BIG a person.

and once more, i'll point out to all:

SCRATCH a DAMNYANKEE & YOU'LL frequently FIND a RACIST.

free dixie,sw

130 posted on 05/02/2005 2:40:30 PM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Modernman
frankly, i can't remember you asking me about honorable "Billy Yanks".

there were MANY "lads who wore the blue" who were DECENT & HONORABLE.

otoh, there were MANY hate-filled WAR CRIMINALS & scum, who also wore blue uniforms.

it would have been BETTER for EVERYONE,if all of them had stayed at home & left the CSA alone.

free dixie,sw

131 posted on 05/02/2005 2:43:42 PM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola
my goodness!

you CAN actually put 2 sentences together without saying something STUPID, HATEFILLED and/or RACIST!

i'm impressed.

you and i would get on much better if you tried harder to write something which requires THOUGHT, rather than BIGOTED stupid attempts at humor & personal attacks.

free dixie,sw

132 posted on 05/02/2005 2:47:09 PM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie
"i note that "m.eSPINola" has NOT apologized for his RACIST comment about American Indians culture & religious traditions."

Quote this racist comment you continue to rave on about. Otherwise stuff yourself in your pro-slavery flag and flush twice, once before and a second one to make sure you make it through the pipes, hold your breath on that one! lolol :)

What happens when a neo-confederate is 'SCRATCH'ed? I don't even want to think about, do you?

133 posted on 05/02/2005 3:05:39 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: stand watie
"otoh, there were MANY hate-filled WAR CRIMINALS & scum, who also wore blue uniforms."

Explain how "scum" can where any uniform??? I can hardly wait for this response.

"it would have been BETTER for EVERYONE,if all of them had stayed at home & left the CSA alone"

We should have remained at home while a pack of out of control pro-slaver traitors (Ruffin & co.) were bowing up U.S. forts, raiding American ships, gunning down pro-Union Americans and demanding slavery be pushed further west at the point of a gun.

Is something really wrong with you making such statements as the ones you typed and are reprinted above in quotes?

134 posted on 05/02/2005 3:11:31 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: stand watie
"you and i would get on much better if you tried harder to write something which requires THOUGHT, rather than BIGOTED stupid attempts at humor & personal attacks."

First off I have never posted any bigoted postings, nor personal attacks which were not rebuttals to a personal attack on me. In terms of the humour, you know bloody well those posts were funny! LOLOL

I am going to post comments I stated on FR today which have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Confederates, Unionists, Lincoln, Lee, North/South or the Civil War, and I would like your comments. Recall this linked thread is the farthest thing from the 1860's, in fact it deals with here & now. Just check for my comments among the others.

Thread

135 posted on 05/02/2005 3:42:42 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola; All
why don't YOU quote what you said & post it for ALL to SEE??? (you KNOW that the "admin moderator DELETED your RACIST post!)

then they can judge for themselves whether you should be on FR or NOT & whether any thinking person should consider you a RACIST, as well as a moron & a HATER!

free dixie,sw

136 posted on 05/03/2005 8:16:19 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola
there is CERTAINLY something WRONG with YOU.

ALL HATERS/MORONS have something wrong with them.

free dixie,sw

137 posted on 05/03/2005 8:17:36 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola
trying to back away from your HATEFUL & RACIST comments about American Indian culture & religious traditions NOW, are you???

did a "little bird" tell you that you're being watched???? (i can't imagine that you are ASHAMED enough to admit what you said was DEAD WRONG.)

free dixie,sw

138 posted on 05/03/2005 8:20:51 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie

Are you speaking to yourself sitting 'bull'?. I had a feeling you would make up some excuse not to respond to the economic thread, I was right. :) Again!


139 posted on 05/03/2005 8:53:50 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: stand watie

Now let's see if you can return to posting #135, push the little button, look around and somehow respond this time, instead all these inventions about the wild west.


140 posted on 05/03/2005 8:56:41 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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