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When Sexuality Undercuts A Family's Ties
Washington Post ^ | February 13, 2005 | Marc Fisher

Posted on 02/13/2005 8:46:21 AM PST by Scenic Sounds

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To: Scenic Sounds

"In my father's view, financing my college would be financing my politics, in a sense," Maya says, "because I plan to be an activist after college."

The gay issue aside, why would he finance someone adverse to his political views and goals, i.e. finance the enemy?


41 posted on 02/13/2005 10:21:18 AM PST by Smartaleck (Tom Delay TX: (Dems have no plan, no agenda, no solutions.))
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To: Scenic Sounds
Tomorrow, she will take her private dispute with her dad into the open. She is scheduled to make her debut as a political animal, speaking at a rally in Annapolis sponsored by Equality Maryland, the state's gay rights lobby.

I doubt this is first time she has openly proclaimed her homosexual lifestyle in spite of being aware of her father's belief that it is morally wrong..

42 posted on 02/13/2005 10:27:32 AM PST by SweetCaroline (Be still and rest in the Lord; wait for Him and lean yourself upon him... Psalm 37:7)
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To: followerofchrist
Correct me if I am wrong, but my observation of Jewish families is that many of the kids from conservative backgrounds turn out to be liberal atheists. My best friend in high school was (and still is, as far as I know!) a Jew. She was a staunch atheist and absolutely refused to attend synagogue. But she was a kosher vegetarian and after college, was very conscious of dating only Jewish men.

No, I don't think you're wrong. Although many Jews marry outside the religion, and this results in more secular people and fewer Jews. Most Jews, as you know, are liberal and think and vote in an almost secular manner. Conservative (political not the religious sect) Jews have to contend with all their kid's friends being liberal and a liberal message from the Rabbi. We are not liberal in the slightest and therefore are a minority within a minority.

I don't think of taking revenge quite as strongly as you did, (and I am glad you did not get caught).

My wife (before she met me) was living in a apartment with several roomates, one who moved out and her boyfriend stayed in. My wife called the police and the cop came and searched his stuff and found drugs. "Did you know about this? he asked her, "say no" he added. They told him to get out and he did.

43 posted on 02/13/2005 10:28:48 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Smartaleck
The gay issue aside, why would he finance someone adverse to his political views and goals, i.e. finance the enemy?

Well, it may seem strange, but it does happen. Some parents put family ahead of politics. Some people put a whole lot of things ahead of politics. ;-)

44 posted on 02/13/2005 10:33:54 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Melas
but not talking to the child just seems incredibly wrong to me.

This is the adult daughter's view of the situation. Why might it not just as fairly be said she quit talking to them?

As for the parents' refusing to pay for her education when she has made it clear to them she intends to use that education to become a liberal activist to undercut her parents' values and beliefs, I would say the parents are making a rational and fully justifiable decision.

45 posted on 02/13/2005 10:35:57 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

I have no issue with paying her way. It's the removal the familial support that troubles me.


46 posted on 02/13/2005 10:53:15 AM PST by Melas
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To: Scenic Sounds
Maya Keyes is looking for answers to all those conservatives who e-mail her about how she's going to burn in hell and to all those liberals who e-mail her about how she's a traitor because she won't disavow her father. And then there are the people who think she's a whiny brat, "that I'm immature for thinking that I want my parents to talk to me."

Sad story.

I find it hard to believe her mother won't talk to her either.

47 posted on 02/13/2005 10:53:42 AM PST by Amelia (Still cynical after all these years....)
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To: followerofchrist

Good post.

As the saying goes, Christian nurture and education is to enable the children to see with their own eyes, not give them our own.


48 posted on 02/13/2005 10:56:54 AM PST by PresbyRev (All truth is God's truth: post tenebras, Lux!)
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To: Scenic Sounds

And what is *your* take on this story, Scenic? :-)


49 posted on 02/13/2005 11:00:13 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Scenic Sounds

BTW, I clicked the link to try to read the whole story before commenting, but at the moment it is "under maintenance".


50 posted on 02/13/2005 11:01:23 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Melas
Again, you're taking the adult daughter's version of the situation as gospel.

She might have a bias.

51 posted on 02/13/2005 11:01:55 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Melas

"but not talking to the child just seems incredibly wrong to me."

I may be that the parents refuse to discuss some issues with her. Her actions are very overtly hostile, regardless of what she says her motives are.


52 posted on 02/13/2005 11:09:36 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: Scenic Sounds
After I contacted Alan Keyes's office, press secretary Connie Hair called back with a prepared statement from him [...]

Does anybody here remember what Connie's nome de Freep was?

And why she got banned?

53 posted on 02/13/2005 11:09:46 AM PST by Erasmus ("They caught my baby makin' booze, but you know I love her still.")
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To: Melas

I think this whole thing is illustrative, it is best described by liberals in action. They have affairs, lie and cheat on their taxes and are considered normal. A conservative does the same thing and he is worse than an adulterer, liar and cheater. When a liberals child lives a sodomite lifestyle the lax attitude at home is praised as tolerance and acceptance. When a conservatives child chooses this behavior it is because the rules of the family were too strict, and judgmentalism caused the rebellion. Either way, the child chose the behavior the parents the response. I will bet that the wayward child of the conservative has a much better chance of finding their way to a happy life than the liberal. The liberals child will all of their life revel in their "difference", while the conservatives child will at least be well aware that their life is in opposition to any real measurement of importance. Like their families love, and the will of the creator.


54 posted on 02/13/2005 11:09:49 AM PST by jeremiah (Either take the gloves off of our troops, or let them come home NOW)
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To: SuzyQue

I = It


55 posted on 02/13/2005 11:09:55 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: followerofchrist

For a "followerofchrist" you seem to have a strange bias against "fundamentalists".

Have you ever stopped to consider the folks you are accusing are raising their kids in a godly way, but the kids are naturally rotten all on their own, and doing right by these kids won't make them *be* right?

When my sis and I were growing up, our parents told us, firmly but lovingly, "This is our house. As long as you are living here, well fed and well provided for, you will obey our rules." And, of course, at times we rebelled, but they set up wise boundaries for us, which (I think) made us better, disciplined people in the long run.

There comes a time when every person is held accountable for himself.


56 posted on 02/13/2005 11:13:34 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
So, I guess the question is not what must he do, but instead what should he do, under the circumstances.

What he should do? Why, throw her out, of course, just like he did.

57 posted on 02/13/2005 11:14:59 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Scenic Sounds

This is more than rejection of a father's values, this is exploitation of Dr. Keyes.

Let us assume that Maya's father was not prominent in any way whatsoever, yet shared Dr. Keyes' values - this story would receive no publicity at all, and Maya would not have received a grant to attend university. She would have found it a tougher road: but because she can step on her father's name, she gets grants, and it is very likely the liberal establishment will take care of her once she graduates.

I feel deeply sorry for the good Doctor, who was there for us on "St. Crispin's Day", and spoke with such wonderful clarity during impeachment. To have a child reject your values is one thing, to have that child exploit your fame and profit by that exploitation is another.

Regards, Ivan


58 posted on 02/13/2005 11:17:37 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: k2blader
And what is *your* take on this story, Scenic? :-)

Well, I'm not surprised that Alan Keyes has fathered a child who wants to be an activist, or who is outspoken. LOL. The acorn didn't fall far from the tree in that respect.

Not being female, I've never personally given birth to a baby, but I suspect giving birth to an adult is often every bit as painful as giving birth to a baby. It's more a process than an event and I'm thinking that dad here might someday regret his decision to discontinue his participation.

I'm confident that you were always much easier on your parents!!! ;-)

59 posted on 02/13/2005 11:18:33 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: followerofchrist
Then I see the neighbors, Buddhists, who have two wonderful daughters, both on college scholarships, both virgins and neither on drugs

Dont forget godless.. Look my mother raised seven kids, all the exact same way! and some of us got into trouble, and some of us did not. Some went to school and got Engineering Degrees and some did not finish High school. You cant look at *your* neighbors, and *your* friends and come to any valid conclusion with the scope that you just did.

60 posted on 02/13/2005 11:18:52 AM PST by N3WBI3
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