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VANITY-An email from a 'European'
an email to me abour our soldiers ^ | 1-31-05 | Ignoramous

Posted on 01/31/2005 7:14:22 AM PST by Katy_Katarina

I'm sad to say that much of the anti-American feeling that is around at the moment is down to the fact that Americans can't seem to see any faults in their system and/or military.

We in Europe remember how America has been involved in destabalising and usurping a democratically elected government - Chile on Sept 11 1972 - used Agent Orange in Viet Nam, demonised left wing people in the entertainment industry during McCarthyism, supporting death squad governments in Central/South America, just to mention a few things, and, most recently, your FBI came here and managed to get the servers for several Indymedia sites taken down (thank goodness they are up and running again) Oprah Winfrey was landed with a court case just for saying that she wouldn't eat a hamburger again and we are regularly reading about how people in the States are being arrested just for criticising the government - a few months back it was a couple wearing T shirts claiming Love America, Hate Bush.

Here in Britain the vast majority of the population was against the war and we are sick of our prime minister being Bush's lapdog. We have a very different culture and we don't want your very powerful big business culture pushed on us.

Have you read how an American seed company (Monsanto?) has produced 'addict' seed that won't grow and develop unless the company's fertilizers are used and how Iraqi farmers won't be allowed to save (patented) seed that they've been given by US seed companies who have reaped the benefit of the war?

On our most respected news programme, Panorama, the other night we heard how new evidence has come to light that US and British military are responsible for killing thousands of civilians in Iraq, NOT the insurgents as had previously been thought responsible.

Here in Britain and the rest of Europe we get the impression that your media is narrow and biased so you just aren't getting the facts. Perhaps that's something you should be looking at instead of spending time worrying about whether people are anti-American or not..... something that we, in a democracy have the right to be if we wish.

I have family in the US so I know that not everyone is a Republican born again Christian. Both our countries should hang their heads in shame at how we've sold weapons of every sort to countries that we later wage war on - we backed Saddam Hussein even though he was gassing the Kurds, because he was our friend against Iran. Hypocrisy, as usual, rules OK. Think on. Sue


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I defended a post by this person in a newsgroup where she posted an article that called ALL of our American soldiers stupid murderers.

I thought I'd post it in here and see if anyone can rebut what she states. Her statements seem so imcomplete and she is unaware of the circumstances surrounding her accusations....

1 posted on 01/31/2005 7:14:23 AM PST by Katy_Katarina
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To: KATY_KATARINA

Don't waste time in newsgroups, and Panorama apologized for the casualty report.


2 posted on 01/31/2005 7:19:33 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: KATY_KATARINA

I'm not sure about the others, but how can our FBI take down a server in GB without the tacit approval of their government? What does Oprah and beef have to do with anything, that was a private lawsuit. IIRC the people wearing the shirts were told to leave by a flashlight wielding security guard, not Bush and Co.

We in Europe remember how America has been involved in destabalising and usurping a democratically elected government - Chile on Sept 11 1972 - used Agent Orange in Viet Nam, demonised left wing people in the entertainment industry during McCarthyism, supporting death squad governments in Central/South America, just to mention a few things, and, most recently, your FBI came here and managed to get the servers for several Indymedia sites taken down (thank goodness they are up and running again) Oprah Winfrey was landed with a court case just for saying that she wouldn't eat a hamburger again and we are regularly reading about how people in the States are being arrested just for criticising the government - a few months back it was a couple wearing T shirts claiming Love America, Hate Bush.


3 posted on 01/31/2005 7:19:46 AM PST by ruiner
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To: KATY_KATARINA

From the area of the world that brought us the Holocaust.


4 posted on 01/31/2005 7:20:44 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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We have a very different culture

.....and once we get out of the BAD BUSH COALITION it shall be MUSLIM....

5 posted on 01/31/2005 7:21:24 AM PST by alisasny (We get 4 more years, you get OBAMA...: ))
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To: KATY_KATARINA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_4220000/newsid_4222300/4222353.stm


6 posted on 01/31/2005 7:21:32 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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Try googling for information from other than left wing envirowhacko sites.
How she "feels" and her ideas about America are of little consequence to me.

AMERICA..HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE


7 posted on 01/31/2005 7:24:15 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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Katy, please allow me to be the first to say...



ZOT!!
8 posted on 01/31/2005 7:26:27 AM PST by DixieOklahoma (Alabama - in 2006 vote ROY MOORE governor! - don't let us down!)
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To: KATY_KATARINA
AMERICA! F-YEA!

Europeans are just upset that America controls the "control-alt-delete" keys of the world. They can get over that, do something about it or post stuff on the Internet nobody should glance at twice.

9 posted on 01/31/2005 7:27:25 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Denny Crane: "I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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You can't argue with talking points.

It's like arguing with a parrot.

10 posted on 01/31/2005 7:28:04 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: AppyPappy

Be sure and call us when you folks need the Arsenal of Democracy. Leave a number if we're busy...


11 posted on 01/31/2005 7:28:35 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: KATY_KATARINA

Welcome to FR.


12 posted on 01/31/2005 7:29:09 AM PST by eyespysomething (I'm speechless here, but don't worry, it won't last long. Ask my husband.)
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To: KATY_KATARINA

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1332544/posts
Mark Steyn: The 'civil war' that wasn't
The Australian ^ | 1 February | Mark Steyn


Posted on 01/31/2005 8:11:24 AM CST by Eurotwit

Try reading Steyn instead of silly, biased, emails.


13 posted on 01/31/2005 7:29:38 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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ReL We in Europe remember . . STOP RIGHT THERE !

We, together with a coalition of the willing, helped liberate the continent of Europe twice in the last century.

14 posted on 01/31/2005 7:31:23 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: KATY_KATARINA
the fact that Americans can't seem to see any faults in their system and/or military.

Actually, we just don't sit around and whine and hand-wring about it.

15 posted on 01/31/2005 7:32:01 AM PST by eyespysomething (I'm speechless here, but don't worry, it won't last long. Ask my husband.)
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To: KATY_KATARINA

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1332059/posts
GOTTA SEE THIS-WarEndur.Freedom 1/30/05-Alamara,Zubaya,Baghdad,Basra,Suleimaniya,Najaf
Yahoo, AP, Reuters, and the usual suspects | 1/30/05 | President Bush and the valiant Military of the United States of America


16 posted on 01/31/2005 7:32:33 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: eyespysomething

What a load of BBC regurgitated communism


17 posted on 01/31/2005 7:34:17 AM PST by WashStateGirl
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To: KATY_KATARINA
Ive cultivated a very large list of e-mail pals around the world. I'm finding that the so called widespread hate isn't all that widespread. The hate is mostly rooted in the media everywhere.

My Russian friends are telling me a very familiar story. The feel that groups that conduct polls in Russia are seeking only answers that they want the people to believe. Literally every one of my friends believe that their media lies about America. They don't believe our soldiers are butchers and they don't believe America is a great oppressor.

In islamic nations there is hate for us and to a lesser degree there is plenty of hate in Europe. One of my Russian friends said today "Who cares what Europe thinks? They are not the world, they only think they are."
18 posted on 01/31/2005 7:34:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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Both our countries should hang their heads in shame at how we've sold weapons of every sort to countries that we later wage war on

Yeah, we had a tough time during the invasion of Iraq going up against their M1 tanks and F16 fighters.

Oh wait ....

19 posted on 01/31/2005 7:36:30 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Gas?)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Panorama apologized for the casualty report

Thank you..I'll put that in my reply email.....

20 posted on 01/31/2005 7:38:13 AM PST by Katy_Katarina
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