Georgia Flag Vote update

Southern Heritage PAC ^ | Jan 25 | SHPAC

[DixieOklahoma]

Support Georgia's right to have a REAL vote on their state flag... The only vote issued did not include the flag that sparked all the controversay in the first place!.

In addition, only 6% of registered voters showed up at the polls, BECAUSE the real Georgia state flag wasn't included in the referendum!!

There is currently a bill that has just been filed with the Georgia State House to allow the real flag to be included in a statewide vote, as well as the current flag.

No matter your feeling on the flag personally... There SHOULD BE a vote on this state flag. After all it is the people of the state of georgia that the flag represents! Right is right, and the people should have a vote on their stolen state flag.

RINO governor (the liar) Perdue, who will be defeated in his re election attempt in 2006, has vowed that this bill will be killed in comittee.

Lets see that that doesn't happen:

Representative	District	Home Town	Position	Capitol Phone
Scott Austin	153	Tifton	Chairman	404-656-5132
Jennings Paul	82	Atlanta	Vice-Chairman	404-656-0126
Geisinger Harry	48	Roswell	Secretary	404-656-0254
Brooks Tyrone	63	Atlanta	Member	404-656-6372
Burmeister Sue	119	Augusta	Member	404-656-5024
Mosby Howard	90	Atlanta	Member	404-656-0287
Oliver Mary Margaret	83	Decatur	Member	404-656-0265
O'Neal Larry	146	Warner Robbins	Member	404-656-5103
Powell Alan	29	Hartwell	Member	404-656-0202
Scheid Chuck	22	Woodstock	Member	404-657-8442
Smith Lynn	70	Newnan	Member	404-656-7149

If one of the above is your Representative, now is the time to call and very politely tell them that you want a FAIR Vote. If you have not already done so, consider signing up for automatic notification (click here) so that you will get a brief email when new updates are posted.

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Please call your Representative, especially if they are on the Governmental Affairs Committee and politely, just tell them that you want a FAIR Vote. You want them to support the FAIR Vote bill, HB15. If your Representative is on this committee also tell them that you would like for them to report HB15 out with a recommendation to pass in a timely manner.

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[Red Phillips]

I couldn't care less what the KKK does with my flag. If you are willing to let the KKK give you marching orders, telling you what symbols you can use, then I feel sorry for you. I refuse to let the KKK commandeer my flag.

The KKK is a small fraction of a fraction. Currently the PC goose steppers wield much, much more power. The KKK has certainly not cornered the market on hate. The PCers hate Southerners. They hate men. They hate Christians. They hate whites. And they certainly hate conservatives. You are suggesting that the use of the flag by the KKK somehow taints it. Well by that logic, why does the opposition to the flag by the PCers not taint opposition to the flag.

Everyone keeps suggesting there are more important issues. But most of the issues are questions of the size and scope of government. Well secession is the ultimate, the most important, check and balance. If you are really interested in controlling the runaway growth of government then you need to get on board secession. And the flag that represents it.

I do not romanticize the War. The War was a tragedy. The Confederacy legally and peacefully seceded and there needn't have been a war if Lincoln hadn't invaded. Perhaps you should romanticize real opposition to the State instead of romanticizing not making waves.

[Red Phillips]

So you admit that the flag issue was actually effective in "drumming up votes." That's funny. Everyone here keeps suggesting it is a loser.

[stainlessbanner]

This whole "let the people vote" thing is a canard.

Exactly Komrade. People voting is a foolish idea.

[lugsoul]

And both of those things are true. It was effective at drumming up votes against Roy Barnes. Roy isn't running anymore. It may be effective at drumming up votes against Sonny. But it isn't going to win a race for anyone.

[lugsoul]

People voting on every single issue is a foolish idea. Do you even understand what a republic is?

[California Patriot]

If a state has initiatives or referendums, as Georgia does, then this is exactly the kind of issue the people should be able to vote on. Not to include the old flag is patently unfair, not to mention politically stupid.

Republicans have an amazing ability to cut their own throats. We now have the governorship and both houses in Georgia. If Perdue throws away the governorship (and perhaps more) by his arrogant, undemocratic stance, it will be a great opportunity wasted. Republican "leaders" need to stop worrying about Establishment opinion and get more in touch with the people who actually support them.

[stainlessbanner]

Red herring, lugsoul. The governer promised a vote on the flag as part of his platform. End of story.

[Sprite518]

Once again good post! I am with you on Hope Scholarship too. It is a voluntary tax not mandatory. I do not know why these guys just do not get it?

[lugsoul]

He promised a vote he can't deliver, constitutionally. If people are so stupid that they believed him, that's there problem.

[Red Phillips]

The reason Democrats always won the governorship in Georgia despite the fact that Georgia is conservative and votes by large majorities for Republican Presidential candidates is because the dems won of course 95+% of the black vote and a much more sizable % of the rural white vote than would otherwise be expected. Probably based on historic tendencies of Southern whites to vote for Dems. What made the difference for Sonny was that he got a much larger share of the rural white vote. It is very likely that that was due to the flag. Therefore it is highly likely that the flag issue won Sonny the election. It is undeniable that it was at least a very important part of his victory if not decisive. He then turned right around and dissed those people. Because he cared more about how he and Georgia were perceived than he did doing the right thing. That is the act of a craven coward. Period. If he had insisted on a flag vote that included the '56 flag he would have gotten it. He was more than happy to let the House and Senate weasel out of it and then throw up his hands and say, "I did the best I could." So not only is he a coward, he is a liar. At least stand up like a man an admit you blinked when faced down by the Atlanta Chamber, the Coke, Home Depot and Delta axis, the PC gestapo, and the Black Caucus.

I wouldn't vote for that cowardly, scalawag if you put a gun to my head.

BTW, I do not exempt the House and Senate. After first voting for a real flag referendum, what would have been a historic, unprecedented role back of the forward march of PC, they blinked as well. But I actually agree with you that referendum can be problematic. That is why you largely don't hear me calling for a vote. I would prefer if the House and Senate would just do the right thing and reinstate the real flag, and Sonny should sign it and then have the decency and self respect to resign.

[Sprite518]

When you said,

"The Confederacy legally and peacefully seceded "

Do you call firing on Fort Sumter peaceful? LOL!

The war has been over for a long time, and the C.S.A. lost. Robert E Lee surrendered. Get over it!

When you said,

"You are suggesting that the use of the flag by the KKK somehow taints it"

Answer; Yes it does.....

Oh and when you said,

"Well by that logic, why does the opposition to the flag by the PCers not taint opposition to the flag.

The current flag is a historical flag too, but it does not carry the baggage of the battle flag. You need to study why the Confederate Battle flag was put on the State flag in 1956. Then you will understand why it has been removed.

[OldCorps]

I love Dixie bump

[lugsoul]

That's an interesting proposal - why is the 1956-2001 the "real flag"?

[Red Phillips]

Did you read my reply on the Hope Scholarship at post 99. I think I very adequately deal with the "voluntary tax" issue. Or do you just not get it?

You, Juana and deaconjim et al. should just form your own little moderate love fest, and you can discuss other ways to sell your soul for "respectability" and profit. I'll keep fighting the good fight.

[Amelia]

He lost his job and Perdue won based on the flag

Although the mainstream media would like you to think so, that's really not true.

King Roy spent 4 years alienating about every group in Georgia possible, not to mention the state has been voting GOP in national elections for years, and it was only a matter of time before Republicans began winning state elections.

Roy Barnes even went to the state wide GAE meeting and told the teachers there he didn't need teachers' votes to win. After they went back and told their schools that, I don't think King Roy got very many votes from teachers or their families.

The current flag is better than the 1956 flag or any since then, and Georgia has many more pressing issues than the flag to worry about.

These people who say they'll vote against Perdue solely based on the flag issue must not be all that conservative...and if they think the flag is important enough to base their entire vote on, I wonder about their intelligence and judgement too.

[Red Phillips]

No one was injured when Fort Sumter was fired on. But it was fired on because the feds refused to leave a fort that no longer belonged to them. Lincoln left other federal forts. He refused to vacate Fort Sumter expressly for the purpose of forcing the Confederacy to fire the 1st shot. War was not supported in the North and Lincoln needed PR to whip up war fever.

While you might be able to "get over" a grave injustice, I am not. I guess you would tell the Scots to get over that William Wallace fellow.

The '56 flag is the real flag because it is the real flag in the heart of real Georgians. Like I said before, it should be supported precisely because the enemy opposes it.

I am aware of the history of the '56 flag. You are aware of dogma that you have been brainwashed by the enemy to believe. And you are reacting like the perfect self loathing Southerner they are trying to create. I do not believe in segregated public schools. I don't believe in any public schools. But Brown was wrongly Constitutionally decided. It was a decision based on bad sociology instead of Constitutional law and it was ground zero in the activist judicial decisions that are destroying this country. Without Brown there would be no Roe. Those who fought that decision, even if sometimes wrongly motivated, should be respected for their prescience.

[Amelia]

Do you even live and vote in Georgia?

[Red Phillips]

I agree the teachers played a large role as well. Esp. since they are a group he could normally have counted on for large numbers. But see my post at 110 which addresses your point exactly.

The fact that King Roy was wallowing in money, felt he had the election in the bag, and was already preparing his run for President, illustrate the power of the flag. That is why Purdue's election was such an upset. The flag issue creeped up on everyone. BTW, Roy, who is a relatively "conservative" Democrat, changed the flag in preparation for his presidential run. To remove it as an issue and to beef up his liberal bona fides.

[Amelia]

Your post #110 is purely speculation ("it is highly likely" is your opinion, not something you can back up with hard data.)

The "real" Georgia flag was the pre-1956 flag. The 1956-2001 was tainted by spite, as well as the fact that the battle flag has been used as a racist symbol, and the 2001 flag was tainted with political correctness, not to mention that it was about the ugliest flag in the U.S.A.

If you love the "old" Georgia flag so much, why isn't it on your FR homepage?

[Red Phillips]

After the election there was a tremendous amount of interest in it. It was well studied. I did read somewhere a well researched study that suggested the flag and teachers had been decisive. I just don't know the exact source of the article, so I did not site it. But I was not purely speculating.

I take it you are recent to this thread. I have addressed the "flag is tainted" issue at length in several posts. Besides, what is wrong with spite? We need a lot more spite these days in my opinion, and a lot less caving in.

I was not aware the '56 flag had been changed on the Georgia page. The topic has actually been debated on threads and changing it to the new flag was always shouted down by much greater numbers favoring the '56 flag. If it has been change then shame on FR for caving in to PC. Is there no sanctuary from PC?