Did Bush really win Wisconsin? Possible voter fraud identified in Milwaukee

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[Nascardude]

We're all completely familiar by now with the pretty rock-solid indications that the Democrats stole the Washington governors race - and now that we're getting proof of the rather large Democratic efforts at voter fraud, I think it is high time we started to look everywhere - and some people have started to take a look at Wisconsin.

Stranded on Blue Islands gives us the whole scoop about the Wisconsin vote but I'll just note three things:

1. You can register to vote on election day in Wisconsin.

2. In Miwaukee alone, 10,000 votes cannot be verified - ie, they cannot locate a voter at the address given at the precinct.

3. Kerry won Wisconsin by 11,384 votes.

Nothing surprised me more on election day than John Kerry winning Wisconsin; for weeks, I had that State pegged as a Bush State - and so did a lot of other pundits, based upon polls showing it leaning towards President Bush. Then election day comes, and Kerry pulls out a narrow win. Given that one of the three Democratic strongholds of Wisconsin has 10,000 so-far unaccountable votes, I think it stands to reason that the State of Wisconsin was stolen - adding Wisconsin's results to Washington's, I begin to feel safe in finally saying in public what I've only thought in private; that in both 2000 and 2004 the entire Democratic plan was to steal the election.

We all remember how close Gore came to pulling it off in Florida in 2000, but what is less well remembered is how his minions nearly stole Missouri and how President Bush was prepared to challenge the vote in Wisconsin, Iowa and New Mexico in 2000 until it became clear that the only way to defeat the Democratic attempts at theft in 2000 was to concentrate on the Florida vote. In 2004, we have the Washington and Wisconsin examples, but those of us who paid close attention remember the Democratic shennanigans in Detroit and Philadelphia - given that Kerry's margin of victory in both Michigan and Pennsylvania hinged upon how things went in Detroit and Philadelphia, we've at least got reason to urge investigations.

The Democrats immediately lept to their paranoid conspiracy theories about the Ohio vote in 2004 - we GOPers, on the other hand, have held-fire even though we thought things rather odd; held-fire, that is, until we've gotten something to go on. What we need is for people on the ground in the areas affected (ie, in Detroit, in Philadelphia, in Milwaukee, etc) to do a bit of sniffing around - the reason Democratic voter fraud has gone unchallenged for so long is because no one challenged it. Let's start challenging.

[Nascardude]

Okay. Here are the facts about Wisconsin:

1. You can register to vote on election day in Wisconsin.

2. In Miwaukee alone, 10,000 votes cannot be verified - ie, they cannot locate a voter at the address given at the precinct.

3. Kerry won Wisconsin by 11,384 votes.

4. On election day in Wisconsin, a Bush GTV headquarters was vandalized when vehicles that were to take Bush voters to the polls had all their tires slashed.

5. If Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes had gone to Bush, it would have taken Bush's electoral total to 296, which is beyond the margin that Ohio's 20 EVs would have made any difference.

Hey Corn Cobb! Hey Badnarick! Hey Rev. Jackson! Hey Tubbs-Lard Jones! Hey Boxer Shorts! Why aren't you crybabies saying anything about Wisconsin if you are so interested in preserving the integrity of every vote.

[Perdogg]

I agree with you. However, it is the GOP's fault that they did not press this, nor challenge the electorial slate.

[timtoews5292004]

They're only interested in preserving the integrity of their own election results. They don't care what they have to do to get their opponents votes miscounted.

BTW you had a ton of credibility with me until you started name calling in that last little bit there. You could have just avoided that entirely.

[Brian328i]

I don't think it would have mattered, the MSM would not even touch the truth and it would likely be something like Washington State.

[Nascardude]

It would have been a major mistake for the GOP to challenge it. Then the liberal press could go ga ga and say "Hey Bush already won, yet he wants to rub it in Kerry's face by trying to steal Wisconsin." That would have blown up in their face.

[Phantom Lord]

Vote Fraud is the life blood of the RAT party. Without it they would have trouble winning elections for dog catcher.

The GOP is far too weak kneed to take on the issue in a serious manner for fear of being called "racist."

[2banana]

See Philadelphia:

According to CNN, Bush lost Pennsylvania to Kerry by 121,818 votes (out of more than 5.6 million cast - a razor thin margin).

Also according to CNN, Kerry received over 517,000 votes and Bush received over 124,000 votes in Philadelphia (or a ratio of 4.16 for Kerry).

Now, for the really interesting numbers. According to the recent US Census, the Population of Philadelphia that is of voting age is 1,105,066. This number includes people who by law can not vote (non-American citizens, felons, out of state college students, etc.). In 2004, there are 1,035,395 registered voters in Philadelphia, up 34,000 from 2001.

So, what does this mean?

First, even as Philadelphia looses population, the number of registered voters continues to increase year after year. Today, in Philadelphia, nearly 100% of every person of voting age must registered to vote (as compared to a national average of 60% by the Census Bureau). Second, the total lopsidedness of the 4.16 ratio is an absolutely astounding number - even heavily democratic Broward Country, FL (one of the only places Gore wanted recounted in 2000) only went for Kerry 2:1 and Cook County, IL (Chicago - THE definition of the democrat voting machine) only went for Kerry 2.5:1.

Either Philadelphia has the most engaged and civic population in the history of the World, or there is massive voter fraud.

And the amount of fraud easily exceeds the margin of loss of President Bush. For instance, if the registration was slightly above average and if Philadelphia was just your "average-democrat-rustbelt-city-union-stronghold with a 50 year democrat political machine," the vote for Kerry in Philadelphia would have been just over 300,000. The voter fraud in Philadelphia is worth about 200,000 votes - a deficit that any Republican running for statewide office must overcome with real votes.

[Bahbah]

in both 2000 and 2004 the entire Democratic plan was to steal the election.

Absolutely correct. Bill Richardson failed to deliver his state, which he had virtually guaranteed, and Blackwell in Ohio is a hero, imho.

[guinnessman]

Now's the time for Republicans in Congress to pass a law prohibiting same day registration in federal elections.

If they do nothing and let the democrats steal the election in 2008, they have no one to blame but themselves.

[massgopguy]

John Kerry just took the opportunity at today's MLK Day breakfast in Boston to charge voter intimidation in the last election. He gave no details, but he has a secret plan.

[silent_jonny]

marked for later

[Blood of Tyrants]

More: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1321079/posts

* 84,000 people registered at the polls on November 2.
* 10,000 people, despite filling out illegible registration cards, were given ballots.
* The other 74,000 registrations have yet to be verified through mailing a confirmation to the address listed.

[alloysteel]

If these various fraudulent counts and state-by-state results are tallied up, it becomes more and more clear that Bush DID really win a mandate, despite what Teddy Kennedy says. An honest vote in every state would have resulted in Bush winning well over 300 electoral votes, and possibly as many as 350.

There were no Blue states, only Blue counties, in this last election. And of the Blue counties, the Blue cities outvoted their surrounding county in most cases (except those municipalities where the city and county were congruent).

[bowzer313]

My question is, if your average blogger can come up with plausible fraud scenarios backed by common-sense math using widely-known recent election result irregularities, then why isn't the GOP legal machine going after this large-scale fraud with gusto? Hmmm?

[End Times Sentinel]

I was on the streets  and made what I saw known to the GOP, FBI, Committee of Seventy, the local radio stations, etc.  But nothing ever came of it.  I can't conduct an investigation myself, but was aggressive about offering information to authorities.

 

In fact, in the district which I ran, the total cast ballots far exceeded the registered voters (note:  We won't know for several months how many people were actually registered, but the old rolls had @ 18,000 and the totals were @ 24,000.  The rolls include many, many people who've moved or died.)

Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton

(Yes, she really said that

[Indy Pendance]

Related thread.

10,000 same-day registrations in Milwaukee illegible

[joesnuffy]

You sure wont see Doyle or Peg 'the keg' Lautenslagger look into any crimes that might damage the democrats in WI

imo

[deport]

When was the last time Philadelphia purged the voter roles, if ever?..... Any info on that that you know of?

[ken5050]

I happen to feel thee is much credence in what you say, but allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment. These are fairly massive frauds, and would have to occur over multiple EDs..otherwise the discrepancies would be blatantly obvious. So you'd have to have a great number pf people over many counties in on this, as weel as a great many dumb GOP poll observers. A Ben Franklin said.."three can keep a secret if two are dead.."..How would this be accomplished? You get the vote totals at the precinct levels, where you have officials fro both parties watching, right?..they are phoned in, or sent in on-line..where if they were then changed, the discrepancy would be obvious.. so the only way is to stuff the ballot boxes at the different polling places...The "problems" with this is are

1. As I said..it would require a lot of people..this wouldn't have been the first time, and you'd figure someone would talk, if for no reason than to cut a plea in another matter. The Mafia's code pfOmerta wasn't that effective

2. Even if #1 was possible..you wouldn't know how many votes you'd need to pull out the race.

Thanks..

[No Dems 2004]

Spread the word around. It's absolutely nonsense that the only allegations of voter fraud have been that the GOP somehow stole Ohio and maybe Florida. It's totally ridiculous in those state's cases because of the huge margin between Bush and Kerry. But what people need to realise is that, had President Bush carried Wisconsin, he wouldn't have needed Ohio. We need to neutralise their stupid theories with the fact that there very well could have been enough fraud in Wisconsin (and possibly PA) to make Ohio arguments irrelevant.

Bottom line: voter fraud is not a Republican thing.