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Minnesotans Against Smoking Bans ^ | 1-8-05 | Robert Hayes Halfpenny

Posted on 01/08/2005 9:20:21 AM PST by SheLion

I am surprised Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson didn’t refer to the smokers as swine in a pig sty. Isn’t that, after all one of the one of the first images that comes to mind when think of a pen?  Before I am offended by “da mayor” I would have to be offended by the reference to the term smoking pens. In a city and state  that was founded by a group of people so seriously reviled for their own beliefs in years past, you would think they would be among the first to take a “live and let live” attitude about the behavior and choices of others. Clearly the past lessons learned about intolerance by the Mormons must now have been forgotten.

Only 88 airports nationwide is hardly a mandate to make one’s own airport smoke free. Furthermore if these “smoking kiosks” are eliminated it will only cause people to find other places to smoke. Delta Airlines is correct in standing behind the rights of the smokers.  Perhaps they have taken note that incidence of “air rage” only became prevalent AFTER smoking was banned on aircraft. It should also be noted that since the ban, they no longer use fresh air to ventilate the planes; instead, they just run the air through a filtrations system which in an enclosed environment further exacerbates the problem.

Mayor Anderson’s pompous arrogance in stating that the ban will help smokers to “break the habit” is outrageous. It is not his job to be neither a social engineer nor the arbiter of personal choices. I do know however, that as long as Salt Lake City and Utah continue down this Draconian path of heavy handed intolerance, I will avoid their state in very way possible. I will not travel to it, I will not travel thru it, and I will not support my company scheduling a convention there.

BANS ARE BAD! Read it again, BANS ARE BAD! Banning blacks from white facilities---BAD! Banning books---BAD! Banning Beer---Bad! If the people of Utah agree that these bans are bad, then they must also agree that banning smoking is also BAD! I would certainly hope at this juncture they are starting to realize that any action, that would favor a smoking ban of any type, will only create far more harm than good. IN all fairness I should note their may be one kind of good ban. That of course would be banning Mayor Anderson from further political office at the next election.   


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Minnesota; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: addiction; addicts; antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; fda; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; propaganda; pufflist; regulation; rinos; rockyanderson; senate; slc; smoking; taxes; tobacco
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To: SheLion
It should also be noted that since the ban, they no longer use fresh air to ventilate the planes; instead, they just run the air through a filtrations system which in an enclosed environment further exacerbates the problem.

Apparently this guy thinks he can lie with impunity. If he lies here, what credibility is to be given to the rest of his article. The Boing 737 has exchange rates on the order of about 5 minutes. That means that every five minutes the cabin air is completely replaced. I think the figure for the incoming fresh air is about 25 cubic feet per second.

21 posted on 01/08/2005 9:43:49 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: SheLion
I know a lot of Smokers. It's a fairly common name around here. I believe that it's past time for all Smokers to band together against this constant, divisive denigration of their names by the intolerant anti-smoker lobby.
22 posted on 01/08/2005 9:44:12 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Publius6961
This sets up the perfect conditions for environmental aircraft conditions terrorism. Create a closed system. As I said: brilliant!

I was working as a Travel Agent when Northwest started their smoking ban.

Another agent that had worked in the field for several years, said that the filter system in the planes were overloaded and filthy from smokers.

Get this: once all airlines banned smoking, the people in charge of cleaning the filters let them go, thinking that since there is no more smoking on the airline, the filters will remain cleaner longer.

Guess what: now when they go to change the filters, they are BEYOND FILTH. And that is the air the passengers breath.

BUT OMG! DON'T LET THEM SMOKE!

23 posted on 01/08/2005 9:45:31 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion
I wish for one week, that all the states would pull tobacco off of the shelves for just ONE week. It would be fun just to stand on the outside and watch the civil war. Can you imagine??? Think about it!

You mean you think the anti-smokers would become violent when their shakedown money stops?

We know this is impossible, since they're superior in every way to mere mortals.

24 posted on 01/08/2005 9:45:52 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: WildTurkey
"Why are smokers more violent than non-smokers?"

How do you glom this?

I smoke cigars and have never once committed assault, murder or any other form of violent crime.

25 posted on 01/08/2005 9:46:06 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Polybius
With your neuroses, I can't help asking:

Why would you go into a smoking room? In an airport or anywhere else...?

26 posted on 01/08/2005 9:46:56 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: SheLion

When smokers inhale and hold the smoke in.. instead of letting it out.. for those of us who don't like smoke to be forced to breath..(and not only their exhaled smoke but smoke coming off the end of the burning noxious weed stick stuck in their pie holes)... I will be all for their right to smoke the dang things...

Until then....it's war...and let the best man win...

imo


27 posted on 01/08/2005 9:47:56 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: 383rr
Been using tobacco since 1983.... don't plan on stopping.

Me either. And I really enjoy smoking. I smoke before and after everything I do. LOL!

Seriously, it's legal. I enjoy it. And I don't drink or do drugs. What's left? Got to have SOME fun in this day and age. At least I am not doing anything on the wrong side of the law, although the anti's are working very hard to make me feel like a criminal.

That's another thing: cigarettes are legal to purchase but then we are made to feel like low-life criminals for using them.

28 posted on 01/08/2005 9:48:07 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: WildTurkey

Of course, I'm going to take a clown seriously who flies in Boings (!)...


29 posted on 01/08/2005 9:49:04 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: Publius6961

If you believe that junk you just quoted, please see my #21.


30 posted on 01/08/2005 9:49:43 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Polybius
I have no problem with you smoking in airports as long as your smoke does not go up my nose or stink up my clothes.

Oh you are so sweet. Thanks for such wonderful tolerance. /sarcasm off

However, you know the ad on TV the town of PERFECT? Well, we don't LIVE in Perfect, now do we?

And the world does not rotate on your butt.

31 posted on 01/08/2005 9:49:53 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Publius6961
By far the greatest incidence of "air rage" is over alcohol...

You are so right. And I believe today the flight attendants can shut a drinker off if they think the person has had enough. That person won't like that very well.

32 posted on 01/08/2005 9:51:14 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Madame Dufarge

Nope. Sadly, her letter (and subsequent response) could apply to the city or Tempe, AZ too.


33 posted on 01/08/2005 9:51:29 AM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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To: Freebird Forever
Are you in favor of the "smoking bans"? If you are, your screen name is damn funny.

FMCDH(BITS)

34 posted on 01/08/2005 9:51:37 AM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Freebird Forever
They've got twelve step programs for y'all and everything.

I've got the perfect place for their 12 steps!

35 posted on 01/08/2005 9:51:52 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: joesnuffy
I learned the difference between "breath" and breathe" in the third grade.

*puff*

36 posted on 01/08/2005 9:52:20 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: cake_crumb
I know a lot of Smokers. It's a fairly common name around here. I believe that it's past time for all Smokers to band together against this constant, divisive denigration of their names by the intolerant anti-smoker lobby.

I WISH we had the money to fight them.

37 posted on 01/08/2005 9:53:01 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion
said that the filter system in the planes were overloaded and filthy from smokers.

I know what you mean. On submarines the air handling devices drip with yellow/brown goo from the smokers. I remember as a teenager cleaning my car windshield on the inside and the towel turning brown as I wiped.

38 posted on 01/08/2005 9:53:04 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: SheLion

My favorite airport is Denver. Whenever I go pheasant hunting to N.W. Kansas, I make sure the flight to Hays is via Denver. The most profitable establishment there is their smoking bar. I love the 3 hour layover between flights in that bar because almost everyone smokes and those don't probably could care less and the bloody marys are the best around.


39 posted on 01/08/2005 9:53:47 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Michigan's last great flock of penguins left for the west coast in 1823 never to be heard from again)
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To: Madame Dufarge
You mean you think the anti-smokers would become violent when their shakedown money stops?

It sure would be interesting to watch, though.

And at the same time that tobacco is pulled from the shelves, the till dries up for the state. Instantly.

40 posted on 01/08/2005 9:54:20 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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