Posted on 01/08/2005 9:20:21 AM PST by SheLion
I am surprised Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson didn’t refer to the smokers as swine in a pig sty. Isn’t that, after all one of the one of the first images that comes to mind when think of a pen? Before I am offended by “da mayor” I would have to be offended by the reference to the term smoking pens. In a city and state that was founded by a group of people so seriously reviled for their own beliefs in years past, you would think they would be among the first to take a “live and let live” attitude about the behavior and choices of others. Clearly the past lessons learned about intolerance by the Mormons must now have been forgotten.
Only 88 airports nationwide is hardly a mandate to make one’s own airport smoke free. Furthermore if these “smoking kiosks” are eliminated it will only cause people to find other places to smoke. Delta Airlines is correct in standing behind the rights of the smokers. Perhaps they have taken note that incidence of “air rage” only became prevalent AFTER smoking was banned on aircraft. It should also be noted that since the ban, they no longer use fresh air to ventilate the planes; instead, they just run the air through a filtrations system which in an enclosed environment further exacerbates the problem.
Mayor Anderson’s pompous arrogance in stating that the ban will help smokers to “break the habit” is outrageous. It is not his job to be neither a social engineer nor the arbiter of personal choices. I do know however, that as long as Salt Lake City and Utah continue down this Draconian path of heavy handed intolerance, I will avoid their state in very way possible. I will not travel to it, I will not travel thru it, and I will not support my company scheduling a convention there.
BANS ARE BAD! Read it again, BANS ARE BAD! Banning blacks from white facilities---BAD! Banning books---BAD! Banning Beer---Bad! If the people of Utah agree that these bans are bad, then they must also agree that banning smoking is also BAD! I would certainly hope at this juncture they are starting to realize that any action, that would favor a smoking ban of any type, will only create far more harm than good. IN all fairness I should note their may be one kind of good ban. That of course would be banning Mayor Anderson from further political office at the next election.
LOL!!!
That's the biggest reason I roll my own. From paying $45-$50 for a carton, I can now roll a beautiful carton for a little under $8 dollars. The savings has been wonderful.
Hahahahaha! You funny! The same people in the gubbmint that push "smoking bans" wouldn't dream of taxing or penalizing our dear "uninvited guests" from south of the border! Hahahahaha!
FMCDH(BITS)
Personally, I don't think you or I could EVER meet eye-to-eye on anything. It doesn't matter if I smoke or not. It's your personality that is a big turn off.
Hey,dalereed---that's when I started too. We old geezers should have been dead around the sixties!!!!!
Nice to know I'm not the only "mature" smoker around FR.
The tobacco companies are not on our side. Never will be.
Their profit is based on sales, regardless of the price. 15% of $40 is actually better for them than 15% of $10, even if most of it is taxes. They are quite happy to act as the government and the doo-gooders' tax collectors.
The "Tobacco Settlement" is a euphemism. It's a smokers' settlement. We have been forced to fund our own enemies. It's like passing laws to fund muggers.
See my post #66. If anything ever happens, the smokers will have to do it directly themselves. Get organized.
As a smoker i thing it should be banned from airports, that is the following disgusting habits are also banned.
1. Lardbutts cramping their faces with food,
2. Cheap perfume, especially musk oil, or other forms of pee
3. Loud cell phone talkers,
4. Ugly people from Washington, and Oregon
5. Whining kids,
6. People sucking down starbucks
7. People laying on floor with their PC's suckin up free
power and floor space
You show me a coalition in any state that is for Tobacco Free Anything that is not funded by the taxes people pay on cigarettes.
If you have proof that the specific 12 step program I mentioned receives $$$ from any tobacco settlement, put it forth and I will withdraw the statement to which you took issue.
I note subtlety is lost on you...
No wait, Mears, the anti-smokers are never going to die, remember?
They will continue to walk the earth forever, yea unto eternity, pestering transgressors into their graves and smugly congratulating themselves on a job well done.
I'd heard that they closed that bar for smokers. I haven't been there for a long time, but I dropped someone off there once and was powerdragging them smokes all the way there.
Oh you are so sweet. Thanks for such wonderful tolerance. /sarcasm off However, you know the ad on TV the town of PERFECT? Well, we don't LIVE in Perfect, now do we? And the world does not rotate on your butt..........SheLion
Get a clue, SheLion.
That has nothing to do with "tolerance". That has everything to do with drawing the line where your rights end and other people's rights begin.
The world does not rotate on your butt either and, in any conflict, the side with the most power wins and you smokers are becoming fewer with each passing day.
We do live in a "Not Perfect" world and that now means that you smokers now have as much political clout as a pet hamster.
You are just as much of a fanatic as those who you whine about.
Your post compares you smokers to blacks being segregated but, when a non-smoker states that he has no objection to you smoking as long as your smoke does not go up his nose, you start squealing like a stuck pig about that too.
You demand your rights to smoke but then you turn around and ridicule other's rights not to have your smoke go up their nose.
By your logic, we all would have the right to go around farting in other people's faces.
If you want others to take a more tolerant view of your smoking in public (as opposed to privately owned) places, then you should consider taking a more tolerant view yourself of the rights of others not to be exposed to your smoke.
All your in-your-face position regarding smoking will get you is to be squashed like a cockroach in the political arena.
I'd pay a fee for a smoking room too and I'll bet there would be some great folks in there. Nice way to meet people.
My daughter,a non-smoker,calls it "smoker bonding"
Of course, here's the crux of the matter. I'll be very amused to watch these anti-smoking Nazi's get their knickers in a knot when the compassion fascists come for something they like (When perfume and BBQ's are outlawed only outlaws will have perfume and BBQ's!).
The zealotry of the anti-smoking crowd must be very similar to the zealotry of the segregationists of a hundred years ago. Your target is easily identifiable and it's societally OK to act with complete abhorrence at the mere sight of the offenders. Perhaps what smokers need is a "civil rights coalition".
That one's so old, it's got a beard. The smoking Nazis have used it ad nauseum.
Unfortunately, they always leave air filtration systems out of the equation.
I doubt you smoke, either.
"I'd pay a fee for a smoking room too and I'll bet there would be some great folks in there. Nice way to meet people.
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A few airports have such smoking rooms. They're completely enclosed with glass walls, and have large exhaust fans dumping the air outside.
The Las Vegas airport has smoking rooms. Guess what's in them? Slot machines! I won $250 one day smoking before my flight home.
I'd pop for a buck or two to go into one, especially when in transit between planes on a long flight day. I don't really have any problem going for 8-10 hours without smoking, but I'd rather light up between flights.
I suspect almost every smoker would pay to use such rooms, which would get rid of the airport managers' whines about such rooms taking space and costing money.
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