Origin of homosexuality unresolved despite study

Washington Times ^ | Sunday, November 28, 2004 | By Cheryl Wetzstein

[JohnHuang2]

The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com

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Origin of homosexuality unresolved despite study

By Cheryl Wetzstein
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published November 28, 2004

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Even presidents don't have an answer to questions about the origin of homosexuality.
    And it's no wonder. Science doesn't have a clear answer either.
    During the third presidential debate, moderator and CBS News correspondent Bob Schieffer asked the candidates, "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?"
    "You know, Bob, I don't know. I just don't know," said President Bush, who then urged tolerance, respect and dignity for homosexuals.
    "We're all God's children," answered Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee. Referring to Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, Mr. Kerry said, "She would tell you that she's being... who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice."
    So what does science say?
    Is homosexuality inborn? Is it caused by outside influences? And, regardless of where it comes from, can it be changed? The answer to all three questions is: yes and no.
    If lawmakers, judges, educators and the public are frustrated by such answers, it's because they've been bombarded all year by supporters and opponents of same-sex "marriage," who have boiled research down to their favorite sound bites.
    "Decades of research all point to the fact that sexual orientation is not a choice and that a person's sexual orientation cannot be changed," say homosexual rights groups such as Human Rights Campaign, which are flanked by the nation's premier medical, mental-health and therapy professional groups.

[HiTech RedNeck]

By the time more sons are born, the attention gets diminished and the younger sons who require love and attention from their father, but don't receive it, seek the attention in other forms.

Perhaps among them, idolizing the older brother(s)

[HiTech RedNeck]

A recent review (Holmes and Slap, 1998) of the research on the molestation of boys, published in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), showed that adolescent boys who were abused by men were up to 7 times more likely to identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual.

A "fortuitous accident" of course enabling them to stop "repressing themselves" and instead discovering their "true destiny" /sarcasm

[fire_eye]

But if "voluntary" and "biologically determined" are not mutually exclusive, setting the two up as a disjunctive syllogism is not the crux of the matter, but a distraction.

Did you read the last sentence in my post?

Human females can conceive only three days per month, yet they're receptive to sex all the time (in theory--my experience has never confirmed this). That would be an enormous waste of resources and energy if procreation were the only evolutionary function of human sex.

You're assuming that female sexual receptiveness isn't just an accident.

Additionally, female sexual receptiveness probably serves a socially adhesive function; males would stray from the nest if females were only receptive for a week every month. There's a survival issue. (I suppose you could argue that that since male homosexuals are "receptive" 24/7/365, they're even better suited for survival in a social sense, (except of course for the minor detail that they can't reproduce...))

When we ask if someone is "responsible" for his conduct, isn't that a moral inquiry?

I *thought* the moral issue arose when we tried to deicide if the person's actions were "right" or "wrong" (given that they were voluntary in the first place...)

[endthematrix]

Posting for the this thread.

I learned of this on FR. I placed some keywords but retrieval seems difficult on FR. There is plenty out there. As a side note, it gets deeper into Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) now Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) and Satanic Ritual Abuse. See screwing with the mind brings CONTROLLED results. Abuse a child and you form them into whatever you want. One comment on FR was like this guy was just like Joseph Mengele. I replied who is Dr. Money's proteges? There is a list.

[Oreo Kookey]

"Or did Adam and Eve succumb to the devil's temptation, opening up some sort of Pandora's box that unleased* sin onto mankind?

If so, are they to blame for all the evils of today's society?"

This is my final attempt to get you to see what I am saying. I don't expect you to agree with me. I have to assume you are not so familiar with the contents of the Bible. Or if you are, you dismiss it because it doesn't agree with you.

You are right on with this statement: "Or did Adam and Eve succumb to the devil's temptation opening up some sort of Pandora's box that unleased sin onto mankind?" It was Satan's objective to draw mankind to him and away from God. His goal was and is to be like God. Adam bought into the lie and thus the sin of Satan was brought on mankind. Thus, our need for a Savior. The Grace of Jesus Christ.

If you want better explained information, please refer to the Bible and sites like http://www.jonathanedwards.com/text/osin/OS-Part%201-1.htm
to find out how sin was unleashed on mankind and most importantly, how each of us can be freed from it's consequences.

(I assume unleased = unleashed)

[Oreo Kookey]

"If homosexuality is a choice, then I could choose to be attracted to men...I can't."

You are being a total dunder head. If homosexuality is a choice, so is heterosexuality. You and I choose heterosexuality. Not all choices are full frontal conscientious choices. You like vanilla, I like chocolate. A choice. Not a sit down ponder the many aspects of the choice, none the less, choice. You like water sports, I like college basketball better. You just do. I just do. Get off your high horse and relax for pity sakes.

[Oreo Kookey]

"Evil did not come into being in the Garden of Eden. Clearly and logically it existed before, according to Genesis."

Just another hair splitter. Evil existed when Satan declared he wanted to be as God. Satan is a created being. He can in no wise be as God. Satan brought his evil to the Garden and imputed it to Adam through his empty promise, "Surely you will never die..."

Take it or leave it. It's your choice. Your free will choice.

Done.

[Oreo Kookey]

Amen

[Caipirabob]

You're assuming that human sex has one and only one purpose. Biologists have argued that such is not the case. Why don't humans have mating seasons? Human females can conceive only three days per month, yet they're receptive to sex all the time (in theory--my experience has never confirmed this). That would be an enormous waste of resources and energy if procreation were the only evolutionary function of human sex.

I have always considered this "Gift Of God" territory. Like coffee, but much, much better...

[Porterville]

I hear the problem lies in the ass.

[Alia]

Which part?

[DirtyHarryY2K]

But unless 'unnatural' = 'wrong' this doesn't take us very far.

Oh, It's 'wrong' alright.

Think of all the patently "unnatural" conduct our species engages in: riding in airplanes; c-sections; wearing dentures and artificial limbs; fighting the forces of nature with all manner of drugs and therapies (antibiotics & chemotherapy, to cite just two)...and the list could be extended for pages...

It's not clear what, for our species, constitutes unnatural conduct. Unless you're prepared to argue that all unnatural conduct is wrong, the fact that homosexuality falls in this category bespeaks nothing of its moral status.

Nothing but a straw man argument. All these things you list are utilized by people according to function and design = normal and natural.

By stark contrast utilizing one's anus as a sex organ is contrary to "function and design" = ABNORMAL AND UNNATURAL.

See how it works?

[DooDahhhh]

1. I do not see that most homosexuals are looking for anything, at least in the Washington DC area.

2. Most of them are 2 income folks making their own way. And again most of the ones I know do not want anything from you or me.

3. I do not presume to understand the real cause of it; I know I could never be one just like most of the ones I know have said that they knew at puberty that they were homosexual.

4. Only 1% of the population is homosexual. How is that really going to effect in the big scheme of things.

5. I think that deviant behavior is another thing. By that I mean prison sex and pedophile behavior. That is another animal in my book.

[robertpaulsen]

"The entire issue of what causes homosexuality is a massive, neon red herring."

I disagree.

If it were conclusive that it was genetic, then homosexuals could seek protected status. And they'd probably get it.

"the fact that an act is lacking an obvious cause or "unnatural" does not make it wrong"

To be fair, you should limit those examples to sex, a reproductive act. Necrophilia, for example, is unlikely to produce offspring.

But even some "natural" sex acts between willing heterosexuals are considered "wrong" by our society. It's not a matter of natural or unnatural -- it's a matter of morals. And just as the people who engage in prostitution, or pornography, or drugs, gays do not like being judged.

Homosexuality is not just an "unnatural" male-male attraction. It's a lifestyle which our our society deems repulsive. And I would say that if heterosexuals adopted that lifestyle, we'd be equally critical of them.

Actually, we are.

[John O]

It's also possible, and more probable, that the oldest son is the one who gets the attention lavished on him by his father. By the time more sons are born, the attention gets diminished and the younger sons who require love and attention from their father, but don't receive it, seek the attention in other forms.

Then again you have situations like mine. Where my older brother was neglected by my dad and ended up sexually diseased (homosexual), while I got dads attention and turned out fine.

It is somewhat of a fallacy to say that homosexuality is a choice. While participating in homosexual behavior is entirely a choice, the desire to participate in that behavior is the result of a mental disease brought about by trauma.

The vast majority of (male) sodomites were either sexually or mentally abused or had an absent or insufficeinet relationship with their father or were subject to relentless teasing by their peers during the formative years.

The end result is a mentally diseased (wounded) person thinking that they desire same-sex sex when really they just desire a normal life

[Modernman]

I don't believe that everyone has to "make a choice" regarding their sexual preference.. just those with the tendency (or generational sin) of homosexuality.

You seem to be arguing that homosexuality is genetic.

[Modernman]

Not only that but 46% of queer men were sodomized before the age of consent. So there's another ugly aspect to this perversion.

I wonder what the percentage of girls is who had sex before the age of consent and what their boyfriends' age was, on average.

[Shethink13]

What you said - I agree.

[Ophiucus]

What are "female sexual behaviors" and how do they differ from "male sexual behaviors".

They vary from animal to animal. In rats for example, females exhibit lordosis, an arching of the back in response to male sniffing and pawing, and darting, running back and forth in front of a male during estrous. "Feminized hypothalamus" male rats will lordose and dart in front of other males.

Also, why are none of these studies done on women?

There have been. Primate studies have been looking into the mamillary bodies, bed nucleus of the stria terminals, seritonergic system of the limbic system, the effect of testosterone on the developing female brain, for example. However, I'm more familiar with the male research from the seminar.