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What If Islam Triumphed?
Capitalism Magazine ^ | November 11, 2004 | Edward Cline

Posted on 11/11/2004 7:47:58 AM PST by presidio9

The grisly, broad daylight murder and near-decapitation in Amsterdam last week of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh by a Muslim "suicide" jihadist is a new and ominous twist to Islam's war on the West. It portends something worse than the massacre of commuters in Madrid and of adults and schoolchildren in Beslan.

The publicized beheadings have usually been staged and filmed somewhere in the anonymous hovels of Baghdad, and the victims’ bodies unceremoniously dumped in ditches or beneath overpasses on the outskirts of the city for American troops or Iraqis to find. Then, miraculously and shortly after the event, Al-Jazeera receives videotapes of the murders and gleefully broadcasts them to an appreciative Arab "street."

No such scoop, this time, for Matt Lauer and Diane Sawyer’s Mideastern counterparts to report, not unless the murder was captured on camcorder by the killer's cohorts and the tape surfaces some time in the future.

Another unique aspect of the murder is that Dutch investigators subsequently found evidence of a conspiracy -- chiefly a hit list -- to murder any Dutch citizen who was critical of Islam, the Koran, or Muslim society. Several prominent Dutch citizens have received letters threatening them with the same bloody fate, among them the mayor of Amsterdam, a deputy mayor, an immigration official, a television talk show host, and Ayaan Hirsi, a former Somali Muslim and member of the Dutch parliament who produced a movie with van Gogh about the Islamic oppression of women.

Matthew Campbell, writing in the London Times on November 7th, noted that, as a consequence of the van Gogh murder, “All over Europe media pundits, entertainers, and politicians were forced to ponder the chilling possibility that cross-border cooperation among closely connected jihad cells might mean that they, too, were threatened by the new terror.”

Why such surprise?

For over a generation, those jihad cells have been maddeningly and surreptitiously established all over Europe, ever since the first train and plane hijackings of the 1970’s and the murder of Israeli athletes during the Munich Olympics. The Netherlands, a small country residence to one million Muslims, is now feeling particularly vulnerable. But the same thing can happen in Germany or Italy. In France, Jews and Jewish-owned property are more and more the targets of Muslim crime, and French girls are raped by Muslims for not wearing veils in public, even though they are not Muslim.

Just as the Democratic left is wondering what went wrong when, despite all its expensive and extralegal efforts, Americans reelected George W. Bush and endorsed the war on terror by a margin that could not be questioned or spun out of context, many Europeans are beginning to wonder what they did wrong to earn the enmity of the alien culture in their midst whose proclaimed end, according to its numerous imams and mullahs, is to end Western civilization. The terror they face cannot be questioned or dismissed as anomalous.

After all, if Europeans are willing to “tolerate” a religion and subculture fundamentally antithetical to Western values and mores, and demonstrably hostile to them, why could not that society reciprocate and “tolerate” their host cultures and all that they hold dear? Such as freedom of thought and speech, private property, individual rights? The rule of reason? The rule of law? The glorification of man?

Perhaps because those countries have systematically denigrated those values for more than a generation in their laws, universities, newspaper columns, and arts. Perhaps because Europeans established welfare states to spare themselves the risks and rewards of living without a “safety net.” Not to mention developed an antipathy for the work they themselves, spoiled by that welfare state, by unions, by protectionist policies, and by an inexplicable sense of superiority, did not care to do. The Europeans invited unwashed millions from impoverished Muslim countries to pick up their garbage, dig their ditches, and clean their commodes.

In the name of multiculturalism, diversity, toleration, and non-judgment, the Europeans have allowed their societies to become infiltrated by an enemy bent on their conversion or conquest.

Campbell wrote that “many of Holland’s 1m Muslims consider the Dutch government to be depraved in its acceptance of ‘abominations’ such as drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage. They want nothing to do with it.”

Perhaps not. But, overall, drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage are minor bogeymen in the Islamic worldview. Muslims have their own peccadilloes they would rather not have discussed in public, least of all by Western infidels, such as honor killings, bestiality, ritual rape, and a concept of “family” that makes Mafia solidarity look like a friendly tea-and-crumpets soiree after a cricket match.

No, the chief abomination -- indeed, the principal nemesis -- in the Islamic worldview is man the unbowed, man astride a world he has mastered, man a being proud of his existence and of his achievements, man the rational being. Man who indignantly refuses to degrade himself by groveling five times a day to bang his head on the ground in ritualistic submission to a ghost and its prophets, never daring to think outside the sealed envelope of Sharia law. Man who scoffs at and dismisses the irrational. Man the being who sends probes to wander over Mars, plunge into the atmosphere of Titan, and collect atoms of the sun. Man who creates new medicines, and new materials, and new wealth from the raw material of the earth, so that he can live happily on it.

Europe has been invaded many times. Most prominently by the Huns. And, now, for a third time, by the Muslims.

It is intriguing to speculate on the status of Europe if one imagines that Charles Martel and his Frankish infantry failed to stem the Muslim tide of invasion at Tours in 732. There is a sub-genre of such hypothetical literature, some of it meritorious, much of it silly. If the Allies had let Hitler overrun Russia to defeat Stalin and his communist dictatorship, and if we had not propped up Stalin with Lend Lease, would the Germans have been able to hold onto that conquest? It is doubtful. We certainly would have been spared the Cold War if that had happened. Not to mention a two-timing Vladimir Putin, whose KGB would have perished along with Stalin and the Politburo. Churchill and Patton would have smoked a box of cigars each in celebration of that collapse.

However, if Martel had been defeated at Tours by Abd-er-Rahman’s 60,000 Saracen horsemen, there was little that could have stopped the Muslims from adding all of France and then the rest of Western Europe to their conquests. Nothing could have kept them out of Germany, Italy and Greece. There would have been no Charlemagne, no Middle Ages, no Renaissance, no Enlightenment. Just a continuation of the Dark Ages.

A European caliphate would not have begrudged tactful rational inquiry, as the Catholic Church did, even for its persecution of freethinkers and heretics. There would have been no corrupt Catholic Church for Martin Luther to revolt against, and no Martin Luther. No Vatican, no Michelangelo, no David of Florence or Sistine Chapel, no Leonardo da Vinci. No Copernicus, no Galileo. No arts, science or literature as we know them.

Perhaps the Scandinavian kingdoms would have proven too chilly for the Muslims. No problem. Exact a tribute from them, in the great tradition of the Barbary pirates, in exchange for a promise not to lay those lands to waste or raid their commerce on the high seas for loot and hostages.

No Queen Isabella of Spain to send Columbus across the Atlantic. No Columbus, and no discovery of America. No Shakespeare, if the Muslims ventured across the Channel. No John Locke. No London, or two British empires. No Declaration of Independence. No United States. No Beethoven, or Liszt, or Rachmaninoff. No Industrial Revolution. No New York City. No moon landings, no Voyagers hurtling through interstellar space.

Muslim science? An oxymoron. Science requires a population of free minds. Islam does not tolerate free minds. Where it has tolerated them in the past, and where it does at present, such as in Indonesia or Malaysia, it is only on conditional sufferance.

A European caliphate would have smothered any political, intellectual, or religious move to freedom, or postponed it for at least another millennium. Frankly, there would have been no “Europe.” It would have become a collection of forested provinces governed by satraps of the Grand Caliphate in Mecca or Medina.

Is this too severe a judgment of Islam? Islam means “submission.” Period. No questions asked or tolerated. There have been exceptions to that rule, but they are exceptions, and they disappeared almost as quickly as they occurred. Once the Muslims had settled into a conquered Spain and accomplished the necessary “submission” of its inhabitants, one or two of its governors tolerated inquiry beyond the bounds of the Koran and orthodoxy, and even left Christians and Jews alone, as long as they avoided trouble and kept to their places, in uncharacteristic experiments in “toleration.” They gave us algebra, more efficient numbers, and unearthed Aristotle. But Aristotle proved to be incompatible with Islamic orthodoxy, more than he ever was with the Catholic Church. Better the faithful stay dumbed down.

The conflict could not last. The Koran is inflexible. It demands absolute orthodoxy, an unconditional acceptance by its adherents of its mythology and official history, requiring an abject, voluntary surrender of the mind graphically described by Orwell in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Instead of demanding that one love Big Brother, it demands that one love Allah. The Koran is riven with contradictions, the most prominent of which is a declaration of war on all unbelievers, sanctioning their murder, extermination or enslavement. Those imperatives render superfluous any afterthoughts in the text about peace, charity and tolerance.

Contradictions cannot long cohabit in a dogma; one or the other must give way. The Islamic creed is fundamentally a creed of war, of conquest, of submission. President Bush would do his country a great favor if he would grasp that Islam is not a “religion of peace.” If Muslims ever disavowed the totalitarian elements of their religion, that would be the end of it. Muslims then may as well convert to Methodism, or join the Amish.

Europe is now reaping the fruits of its policy of “toleration” of the irrational in more respects than one. The one that will capture the headlines will be the demand for self-censorship of Europeans regarding their Muslim neighbors and citizens. Dare to question the wisdom of the Koran, or satirize Muslims, or claim that the rule of law should supersede the primitive, concrete-bound precepts of Islam, and the censor may be a man with a carving knife, ready and willing to silence the offender forever. Europe has been put on notice: Heads will roll. Literally.

Can it happen here, in the United States? Possibly. Canada is already showing signs of surrendering to its Muslim activists in the field of law. Our own multiculturalists and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, among others, are working on the terms of surrender here.

Will Europe take action to preserve its civilization, or will it tolerate this new brand of terror at the price of being assimilated by its barbarian “guests”? Will Theo van Gogh serve as the modern Roland of Roncesvalles, or will Europeans blink if Michelangelo’s David is smashed by Islamic puritans in a campaign to eradicate infidel idolatry?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; islam
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To: winodog
It may be bloody but they will awaken.

I think there is no alternative to it being bloody since the enemy is Islam and Islamic radicals don't have a concept for peaceful settlement of problems with non-muslims.

21 posted on 11/11/2004 8:17:48 AM PST by weenie (This is a war between the forces of good and evil. Humans are only pawns.)
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To: presidio9

No bacon, no beer, no scantily clad women. Kill me.


22 posted on 11/11/2004 8:18:28 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Don't blame me, I volunteered for Toomey)
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To: Porterville

600 ill Muslims?

Bad case of lead poisoning, I'll wager.


23 posted on 11/11/2004 8:19:41 AM PST by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: winodog
Europe has quite the history of bloodshed.

European social and poltical attitudes can change in the twinkling of an eye. Look at the virtually overnight change from Weimar democracy to Nazi dictatorship. Look at the collapse of the Russian Monarchy or the later collapse of the Soviet Union.

The Germans were perhaps the most educated, civilized and technologically advanced people in the world in 1939. They ended up using all of the resources of their nation to build death camps and crush their neighbors.

Once the people of Europe decide to deal with the Islamic threat within their borders, I think even the most gung-ho of FReepers will be shocked at their ruthlessness.

24 posted on 11/11/2004 8:25:35 AM PST by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: airborne

"...Curiously, the cities that have large muslim populations (muslim terror cells) are are John Kerry "blue states"!"

There are very large Mohammedan populations in the "red states" too. Here in Alabama there are hundreds at each university plus many have obtained permanent residency and citizenship. Nashville, Tennessee has four mosques now and its Little Kurdistan area.



25 posted on 11/11/2004 8:25:59 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: Merlin_Guy
I truly believe that when push comes to shove that the Germans, Austrians and other will not put up with this Islamist nonsense.

Amen...European leadership may be wimpy for now but you can bet the there are some very feisty Europeans tucked away in society that, once p*ssed off, are going to direct all their frustration and anger at the Islamists in their midst (and, eventually, those in the Middle East).

You can't expect people react peacefully toward a religion that says non-muslims must be submissive or die.

My temper rises each time I ponder that point.

The very concept of Islam is a recipe for bloodshed and war.

26 posted on 11/11/2004 8:31:14 AM PST by weenie (This is a war between the forces of good and evil. Humans are only pawns.)
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To: airborne
It will only take one school attack like the one in Russia to start an American civilian response.

We have some experience in dealing with this kind of problem. Once it got to a certain point, the we made a very concerted effort to exterminate the Native Americans.

I have it on very good authority (my late Father) that we were quite prepared to do the same to the Japanese.

Note to Achmed:

No matter what you hear in your (or our) press about how weak we are, trust me, you don't want to play "Cowboys and Muslims".

We are a very tolerant people, to a point. After that point we will wipe you off the planet. We already have the means. It will be up to you to provide the motivation.

27 posted on 11/11/2004 8:33:32 AM PST by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Thank you for pointing out my error. I should not have used the word "states".

It should read,

"Curiously, the cities that have large muslim populations (muslim terror cells) are are John Kerry "blue COUNTIES"!"

28 posted on 11/11/2004 8:34:30 AM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: Modernman
Once the people of Europe decide to deal with the Islamic threat within their borders, I think even the most gung-ho of FReepers will be shocked at their ruthlessness.

Yup.

...and the bonfire has just been lit by the Dutch. It's gonna get hot very quickly and spread to the rest of Europe in the next month (IMHO).

29 posted on 11/11/2004 8:35:34 AM PST by weenie (This is a war between the forces of good and evil. Humans are only pawns.)
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To: misusu21

Europe is doomed.

Ralph Peters wrote a good article called "Hidden Unities", that deals with this subject. (note he disagrees with you).
You can find it on google(note it's in a PDF file) or in his latest book "Beyond Baghdad". Both are well worth the time spent reading.


30 posted on 11/11/2004 8:36:20 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: presidio9

BTTT


31 posted on 11/11/2004 8:37:03 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: airborne

The Dutch have already been attacked before. A train and school were held by terrorists until Dutch special forces took them out. More will come in the future.


32 posted on 11/11/2004 8:37:40 AM PST by MinstrelBoy (What will you do without freedom?!)
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To: misusu21

ping


33 posted on 11/11/2004 8:56:43 AM PST by TomSmedley (Technical writer)
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To: presidio9

If Islam Triumphs?

Can anyone say dark ages?


34 posted on 11/11/2004 8:59:42 AM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: TomSmedley
I am certainly no expert on any of this and can only offer an opinion based on my own observations, but also after having spent some time in France in particular, the presence of Muslim extremism would horrify anyone who could see it first hand.

It's a cataclysmic coming together of rampant, energized Muslim fanaticism hell bent on domination, and a weak, diminishing, and aging native people who no longer have the will to resist. Native citizens of Europe ( I can only speak for France here) are aging, not having children, and the words I would often hear, particularly from the older folks, is that they are tired, and that they are old - that Europe is old (see - the even call themselves "Old Europe!"). They've been victims of tyranny throughout the past century, their hearts ripped out by 2 extremely costly and tragic wars. They are ripe for submission.

It's my fear that with the rapid advance of Muslim extremism will overtake Europe in our lifetimes, and that again it will fall upon the United States and "New Europe" (and the UK) to destroy it. Here we go. I believe we can and will destroy this enemy, the fight began on 9/11. No looking back. If Islam itself must be destroyed, then so be it.

Not so many years ago I was with a group of friends in a dorm room and we were discussing how that, in our short lifetimes to that point, our generation had no major wars. I guess we have it now.
35 posted on 11/11/2004 9:06:56 AM PST by ClockworkO
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To: presidio9

later read


36 posted on 11/11/2004 9:18:15 AM PST by It's me
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To: ClockworkO

Us, India and New Europe will have to take on Islam.


37 posted on 11/11/2004 10:03:31 AM PST by John Will
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To: ClockworkO
Welcome to FreeRepublic.

With a name like ClockworkO, perhaps you've read 1985 by Burgess, set in an Islamicized England. (It's been a long time, so I don't remember much about it).

38 posted on 11/11/2004 10:10:03 AM PST by dighton
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To: presidio9
What If Islam Triumphed?

Islam is a completely divided house, there is no national leader, or movement.

Most Muslims from the third world escaped there country to come to the EU or the USA not to spread Islam but to enjoy a better standard of living.

Yes there are those who would like to see a Islamic super state, but where is it going to start.

Afghanistan they warred with each other, Iraq under Saddam, Iran and other Islamic countries today need to keep a repressive state machine to control there own restless population.

Any Islamic Super State will as in the Soviet Union carry the seeds of its own destruction.

Tony

39 posted on 11/11/2004 10:15:15 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: presidio9

Ping


40 posted on 11/11/2004 1:18:35 PM PST by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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