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The Jewish Vote explained crystal clear
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Posted on 11/05/2004 11:10:33 AM PST by Jaysin

Hi all:

As an orthodox (obervant) Jew, I want to explain to everyone about the Jewish vote, why we vote the way we do, and most importantly to us conservatives--the future of the Jewish vote.

First off, most of the Jewish democrats are older. they vote with some preconceived notion that the democratic party represents the people and the underdog (Jews have historically been a persecuted minority)

Many Jews have a complete disdain for their heritage (as most of my family does) So they see religion as "the old world" and the rigidness of Orthodox Jewish Law as barbaric. Democrats (supposedly) represent the enlightened view. Most Jews are very intelligent and overthink, overanalyze, and overeverything to the point that they lose their minds.

Believe it or not, but Israel is NOT the main thing concerning Jews. it really isn't--the more secular they are, the less connection to Israel, and most Hassidim wont even acknowledge Israel's existence as a governing state.

And now the cold hard reality of things. The Jewish demographics of America are changing very rapidly. The non-orthodox Jewish community is rapidly declining through such factors as intermarriage, loss of identity, having less children at a later age, and old-age. The orthodox community is by far the fastest growing element of the Jewish world (both here and in Israel) today. Orthodox Jews are generally intelligent, business savvy, socially conservative, and we stick together. the average orthodox home consists of 5 to 8 children. There is also a large "Ba'al Teshuva" (secular Jews becoming orthodox) movement throughout the world (including myself--I come from a standard unaffiliated family and have become quite observant in the past 5 years)

The orthodox Jews vote conservative because it is what we believe is the more morally correct party to vote for. We are not interested in gay rights, leftism, radicalism, blind peace treaties etc....

I believe the Jewish vote in 2004 was considerably higher then 24%. Orthodox Jews only live in certain communities, and many of them keep their views to themselves. over the past year I met AT LEAST 25 Jews who voted Gore in 2000 and were now 100% for Bush. It was almost a give-in that the people sitting next to me in services were Republicans. I did meet several Jews that weren't thrilled with Bush but were voting for him because of his strong stand on terrorism and because "they just couldn;t vote for Kerry"

SO now for the future--the stereotypical Boca Raton Jewish liberals are in their 70's and 80's. They will only be able to influence the next 2 elections at the most. The orthodox community is growing rapidly and these younger Jews are staunch Conservatives (usually). I seriously predict that the Jewish vote will be more and more Republican in each subsequent election and it might even be fair to say that by 2016--a majority of the Jews in America will vote Republican.

All is of this is just my opinion but I would bet on it if I were a gambling man.

SO with all that said, It is Friday, and I am going to go home for the Sabbath and discuss the election with my friends.


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1 posted on 11/05/2004 11:10:33 AM PST by Jaysin
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To: Jaysin

Thanks for sharing!


2 posted on 11/05/2004 11:15:35 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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The FDR/TRUMAN generation of liberals is fast declining. The next election will be even less liberal. The dems threw everthing they had, and it was considerable, and it wasn't enough. Declining union power, Shrinking liberal elderly population, rise in conservative orthodox religions, more and better educated young people. The socialists will die a lingering death......not unlike arafat....


3 posted on 11/05/2004 11:17:25 AM PST by Red Badger (Give someone enough EU-ROPE and they will hang themselves......out of pure frustration......)
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To: Jaysin
Interesting insight. Thank you.


4 posted on 11/05/2004 11:17:44 AM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Islam is a religion of peace. Strange every murdering psychopath in the world is attracted to it.)
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To: Jaysin

Great article. Although I don't agree with your comment re Chassidim. Correct me if I am wrong, but Chabad/Lubovitcher Chassidim, for instance, support Israel. Satmar Chassidim don't. But that is just a minor issue in what otherwise is a very thoughtful and correct analysis.


5 posted on 11/05/2004 11:18:58 AM PST by howiem98
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To: Jaysin

Thank you.


6 posted on 11/05/2004 11:20:08 AM PST by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Jaysin

Makes sense to me . I had been wondering why more of the Jewish vote was not concerned with Israel and Bush's connection. I too believe the Jewish republican vote was greater this election.


7 posted on 11/05/2004 11:20:12 AM PST by jodi888
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Zay gezunt.


8 posted on 11/05/2004 11:21:33 AM PST by Cagey ("We need a leader, not a weather vane".....................Laura Armstrong)
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To: Red Badger
I tried to explain to my dear female friend, who is Jewish, that it is important to vote for the party that is most sympathetic to Israel. I am a Christian, by the way. She seemed puzzled by the concept, and probably thinks that I am daft. I am sure that she is not alone. I don't mean to pick on anyone today, but I just pass this along. Sometimes one can only shake one's head.
9 posted on 11/05/2004 11:22:41 AM PST by ashtanga
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Jaysin

Thank you very much for this post. This has driven me crazy for years and I have more than a passing contact with the Jewish community (Krav Maga interest)! I could never figure out why the Jewish voters seemed to be voting against their Israel interests when the Dims clearly could not care less if the PLO drove all of Israel into the sea. I would love to hear more Jewish conservatives confirm and discuss this post.

Shalom to all the Jewish Freepers!
10 posted on 11/05/2004 11:23:15 AM PST by Way To The Right of Rush
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There is more support for ISRAEL among SOUTHERN BAPTISTS than there is among NYC Jews......


11 posted on 11/05/2004 11:24:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Give someone enough EU-ROPE and they will hang themselves......out of pure frustration......)
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I agree with most of this post. It seems to me that like the Exit Polls the figures on Jewish support for Bush are off. I was the only person I knew who voted for Bush in 2000. This time around almost everyone I know voted for Bush. Something doesn't add up.


13 posted on 11/05/2004 11:29:58 AM PST by jperspective
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To: Jaysin; 1bigdictator; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2sheep; 7.62 x 51mm; A Jovial Cad; ...
The non-orthodox Jewish community is rapidly declining through such factors as intermarriage, loss of identity, having less children at a later age, and old-age.

Don't leave out abortion and gays.

the average orthodox home consists of 5 to 8 children.

I have 9 kids, 11 grandkids, and 3 more on the way.

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel ping list.

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14 posted on 11/05/2004 11:33:55 AM PST by Alouette (Schadenfreude--it's better than prozac!)
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To: All

Well that explained a lot to me.


15 posted on 11/05/2004 11:34:06 AM PST by texan75010 (You lost - MoveOn...to France, or Canada, or New Zealand, or Germany...take your pick.)
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To: Jaysin
Tell us how Orthodox Jews feel about Christians.

Judging their reaction to the movie "The Passion", apparently many Jews fear that Christians are going to retaliate against them because they killed Christ.

American Christians are shocked by the idea that we would attack God's chosen people.

Historically, political enemies of the Jews in the Old World used religion to inflame the masses against the Jews, but American Christians would never do so.

16 posted on 11/05/2004 11:37:21 AM PST by bayourod (Specter's litmus test : "No Christian Judges")
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To: Red Badger

There is more support for ISRAEL among SOUTHERN BAPTISTS than there is among NYC Jews......



This is it in a nutshell. It shouldn't be this way but this is an absolutely true statement.


17 posted on 11/05/2004 11:37:29 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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This underscores a reason why the Left is so quick to ascribe President Bush's victory solely to "evangelical Christians", to divide that group from all the other orthodox and conservative people of other faiths who also do not share the Democrats domestic and foreign policy world view.


18 posted on 11/05/2004 11:38:13 AM PST by pawdoggie
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Shabbat bumps!


19 posted on 11/05/2004 11:39:41 AM PST by Uncledave
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
20 posted on 11/05/2004 11:43:11 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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