Posted on 11/04/2004 6:26:10 PM PST by Nice50BMG
Patricia Ireland just said that she grew up as a Christian in Indiana and asked that (paraphrase) "if there was a real problem with lesbians and gays, why didn't Jesus say anything about it?"
The Romans excerpt you listed is a good one
"21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen."
A key point to remember is that this is not limited to homosexuality. It applies to heterosexuality as well. The larger point that Ireland and her ilk don't understand is that it's not just their actions as homosexuals that's the problem but their hardened hearts. Men that live with women out of wedlock are also sinners.
Thanks for all those citations
Leviticus Ch20 vr14? after the part about men+men. loosely "a woman who lays with a beast as her husband shall be put to death and the animal slaughtered for her vile act"
I think that Patricia may have grew up NEXT to a Christian family.
Nothing that you would want to hear from the way Mohammed wrote about it in his bible (the Koran).
The very fact that Jesus didn't mention this issue is because in the 1st century Judean contex everybody knew homosexuality was and is a sin. Jewish law was and is crystal clear on this issue.
The argument that Jesus did not personally condemn homosexuality reveals a ignorance of several significant issues:
1. Jesus is God incarnate, meaning the preincarnate Christ was the source of all the Old Testament condemnations of homosexuality.
2. All Biblical truths are eternal. Those Old Testament laws which no longer bind us have not been undone, rather they have been FULFILLED in Christ. The principles behind them all will stand forever. The application of many, such as dietary laws or sacrifices are obeyed thru faith in Christ and being set apart for Him.
Well you just radically shortened the 2008 Democrat platform, if that is of course, if they act on your suggestions...
Jesus didn't address homosexuality but that doesn't mean he endorsed it, either. Jewish law prohibits homosexuality and Jesus was certainly Jewish and His teachings were based on Judahism.
I think Jesus was concerned mostly with how we treat each other along with forgiveness of the individual sins. And that includes homosexuals.
Jesus said:"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill." Matt. 5:17 (NIV)
Since the LAW was against homosexuality one could surmise that Jesus was also against homosexuality. The Torah/law (Pentateuch) was quite specific regarding homosexuality.
what a moroon
"I don't believe the bible mentions women on woman"
Romans 1:20ff, For this reason God gave them up to their vile passions. For even their woman exchanged the natural use for what was against nature." NKJ
Jesus never said anything specifically about homosexuality but has implied its sin by references.
BUT, I think the point people miss is that God uses marriage between a man and a woman (Adam and Eve) as a type of how God views the relationship between Him and Israel and Jesus Christ and the Bride (The Church).
And there is only one who loves you and who is worthy of your love...
seek Him...He is there...and He loves you so much.
He made you so He could love you and so you could love Him...
He gave His life just for you.
Please don't turn away from Him
For a divorced and remarried person, this can be one of the most difficult biblical principles to understand - that Jesus identifies remarriage as adultery. Particularly so when not learned along with the principles of repentance and forgiveness.
Pat Ireland's relationship to Christianity is roughly what an M & M's relationship to anti-lock braking is.
You shall not murder. ~~God (Jesus by proxy)
"I know my Bible and nowhere in it does it mention that
Jesus Christ and the Apostles drove Fords.
Naturally, one can assume it was because they were Chrysler men!'
Actually, they drove Hondas. It says they came in one Accord...
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