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October Surprise??? Navy Chief (from SBVT site)
SwiftVets.com ^

Posted on 10/12/2004 10:14:15 PM PDT by tazannie

I hope this is good


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: courtmarshal; courtmartial; dishonorabldischarge; kerrydischarge; kerrylies; lessthanhonorable; swiftboat; swiftboatvets; swiftvets
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To: Alamo-Girl

You are welcome. :)


641 posted on 10/13/2004 12:09:54 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: JLO

My pleasure! :)


642 posted on 10/13/2004 12:10:15 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: finnigan2
Odds are, there were multiple "Boards of Review" rather than just one. All of their actions concerned the individual records of members of the Armed Services. Therefore, my understanding is that nothing about these review boards would be public information until an individual serviceman/woman signed a Form 180 authorizing public release of that information.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "America Fails the 'Global Test' "

If you haven't already joined the anti-CFR effort, please click here.

643 posted on 10/13/2004 12:22:23 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: MistyCA

LOL! I was pinging you!!! :)

&&
Yep, you must be one loud pinger to wake me up when my 'puter wasn't even booted up!


644 posted on 10/13/2004 12:23:47 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: MistyCA
....this could really ruin Kerry's day.

I'll go for that. Any way I can help? LOL!!

645 posted on 10/13/2004 12:29:14 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: fooman

I have read the WSJ for 40 years. Although the editorial board is conservative its reporting is not necessarily so.


646 posted on 10/13/2004 12:37:21 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Uncle Hal

That is your problem. The rag went way left in the past two years. The above sample is typical. The paper is truly bipolar with the old guard running the marginalized ed page and the new lefties running the main show.


Take a look at the A1 article above and tell how it is balanced.


647 posted on 10/13/2004 12:48:53 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Bigg Red

LMAO! :)


648 posted on 10/13/2004 12:51:25 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Brownie74

Send emails. The MSM and Drudge are slow reacting to this. We can send the story around the net.


649 posted on 10/13/2004 12:52:45 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA
I agree! Sitting on pins here waiting for a positive outcome!

I've been out doing errands most of day. Have you heard anything yet? Anything new???

650 posted on 10/13/2004 1:04:55 PM PDT by SheLion (PLEASE vote! We can't afford to be silent!!!! Do we really want FnKerry to run our Country?!)
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To: SheLion

No. I have been answering pings. I need to go check things out.


651 posted on 10/13/2004 1:15:33 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY; kabar; BigKahuna; The Real NavyChief
Board Review of discharges 1984-long read..there also was a Clemency discharge brought about by Pres Ford 1974 (deserters)..pertinent part(bottom of post) deals with reserve civilian misconduct..also mentions separation and discharge for officers..Board decisions are available in the Pentagon Reading room but names and other identifying info are redacted so I don't know how one could find it..

http://usmilitary.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://neds.nebt.daps.mil/Directives/5420174c.pdf



9.2 Propriety of the Discharge

a. A discharge shall be deemed to be proper unless, in the course of

discharge review, it is determined that:

(1) There exists an error of fact, law, procedure, or discretion

associated with the discharge at the time of issuance; and that the rights of

the applicant were prejudiced thereby (such error shall constitute prejudicial

error if there is substantial doubt that the discharge would have remained the

same if the error had not been made); or

(2) A change in policy by the military service of which the

applicant was a member, made expressly retroactive to the type of discharge

under consideration, requires a change in the discharge.

b. When a record associated with the discharge at the time of issuance

involves a matter in which the primary responsibility for corrective action

rests with another organization (for example, another Board, agency, or

court), the NDRB will recognize an error only to the extent that the error has

been corrected by the organization with primary responsibility for correcting

the record.

L

c. The primary function of the NDRB is to exercise its discretion on

issues of equity by reviewing the individual merits of each application on a

case-by-case basis. Prior decisions in which the NDRB exercised its

discretion to change a discharge based on issues of equity (including the

Enclosure (1)

9-1

factors cited in such decisions or the weight given to factors in such

decisions) do not bind the NDRB in its review of subsequent cases because no

two cases present the same issues of equity.

d. The following applies to applicants who received less than fully

honorable administrative discharges because of their civilian misconduct while

in an inactive duty status in a reserve component and who were discharged or

had their discharge reviewed on or after April 20, 1971: the NDRB shall

either re characterize the discharge to Honorable without any additional

proceedings or additional proceedings shall be conducted in accordance with

the Court’s Order of December 3, 1981, in Wood v. Secretary of Defense to

determine whether proper grounds exist for the issuance of a less than

honorable discharge, taking into account that:

(1) An other than honorable (formerly undesirable) discharge for an

inactive duty reservist can only be based upon civilian misconduct found to

have affected directly the performance of military duties;

(2) A general discharge for an inactive duty reservist can only be

based upon civilian misconduct found to have had an adverse impact on the

overall effectiveness of the military, including military morale and efficiency

652 posted on 10/13/2004 1:44:12 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: tazannie

John Kerry will not be fazed by this. His numbers will not go down at all. It is not getting any coverage as it is. One lousy paper.


653 posted on 10/13/2004 1:48:24 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: satchmodog9

The WSJ just picked the story up. If the NYT liberal death star runs the story we will have something. It only becomes credible to the left and the MSM if it is in the NYT


654 posted on 10/13/2004 1:54:31 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: rolling_stone
there also was a Clemency discharge brought about by Pres Ford 1974 (deserters)..pertinent part(bottom of post) deals with reserve civilian misconduct..also mentions separation and discharge for officers..

This is an interesting historical fact about Kerry's "Lead Debate Negotiator":

Oct. 03 1974 - Vernon E. Jordan named to Clemency Board by Pres. Ford

655 posted on 10/13/2004 2:00:49 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: SerpentDove
"What kind of paper is the NY SUN? I never heard of it but I'm from the Midwest." You remember...it's the paper that printed "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus." And if this is the blockbuster it sounds like...then there IS. :-)))

Actually, that was the Baltimore Sun. Unlike Babe Ruth, it did not relocate to NYC. The Sun is a distant seventh or eighth in area circulation (NY Times, NY Post, NY Daily News, L.I. Newsday, Wall Street Jornal, Village Voice and maybe even the wretched Observer). But it is a legit paper.
656 posted on 10/13/2004 2:40:46 PM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Piranha
Hey, watch the tagline.

Bite me. Heh heh...;-D

657 posted on 10/13/2004 3:00:52 PM PDT by Judith Anne (First we were digital brownshirts then we were pajamahadeen, now we're the piranha of the internet)
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To: MistyCA; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge

thanks for the heads up misty

658 posted on 10/13/2004 3:40:24 PM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schindler Schiavo, her family, and her supporters.)
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To: MistyCA
No. I have been answering pings. I need to go check things out.

Well, did you read Tonks ping?  About Fox News????  How the hell are we going to win with the whole media against President Bush.  I am so sick of this.  Now I'm nervous about the debate tonight.  The President can't WHIZ straight enough for these people  There is a chipmunk in the woodpile, and that's for sure..........

Honorable Discharge???? (WSJ picks up NY Sun story)

FOX News NOT covering this story!
They are in Kerry's camp
They are afraid of being on Kerry's "press enemy list"
Chad Clanton told them about "the list" yesterday.
And FOX caved in.

The above is from Tonkin.

659 posted on 10/13/2004 3:43:30 PM PDT by SheLion (PLEASE vote! We can't afford to be silent!!!! Do we really want FnKerry to run our Country?!)
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To: cyn

You are welcome, cyn


660 posted on 10/13/2004 4:38:29 PM PDT by MistyCA
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