Posted on 08/27/2004 10:25:04 AM PDT by spyone
Stewart Bell National Post
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.
The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.
But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.
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Please tell me that.
Don't make me tell you something like gullible isn't listed in the Webster dictionary.
Don't do this to me.
>>Don't know how reliable the source is, but the terrorism involved with that crash seemed about as obvious as the double Russian crashes the other day.<<
I thought that was just a wierd coincidence?
</sarcasm>
I twould be hard for him to smuggle a bomb aboard and blow up the plane since he wasn't even on board.
Final passenger list:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/a300crash/story/0,11165,592701,00.html
On avweb.com, search for 587.
By Mary Grady
Newswriter, Editor
In his report, Hess notes that the "pedal/rudder sensitivity of the A300-600 at the airspeed at which the AA 587 accident occurred is the highest of all comparative transport aircraft." For example, compared to the Boeing 767, the A300-600 pedal/rudder sensitivity is seven times greater, and it is 10 times greater than the preceding models in the Airbus series, the A300-600B2 and B4, Hess reports. "The sensitive nature of the rudder/pedal system is a plausible candidate for a control system property conducive to a PIO," the report says. "One has a very powerful aerodynamic surface ... activated by one of the most powerful muscles in the human body, commanding a pedal/rudder system that is considerably more sensitive than that of any comparable aircraft," the report says. The report is still under consideration by the NTSB. "It's [Hess's] opinion. It's not the board's opinion at this point," NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz told Reuters last week. Hess elaborates that rudder pedals are operated by a pilot's strong leg muscles -- capable of exerting over 400 pounds of force -- and he says those muscles lack the sensitivity to accurately command relatively small forces.
A response from the French Air Accident Investigation Bureau (BEA) questions Hess's conclusions. The BEA disagrees with some of Hess's assertions and says some of his data is inadequate. The Hess report does, however, "provide a springboard for questions that may lead to an understanding of this event," the BEA concludes. Airbus officials also have defended the rudder system, noting that Airbus models have flown for millions of hours without rudder pressure being an issue. The NTSB's final report is expected this spring.
But,.......the whole (long) weekend?
I live in Connecticut, and often listen to NYC radio, and I remember this distinctly. Coming so close after 9/11 I was literally brought to tears. It was seared into my memory, to coin a phrase.
For the first few hours after the crash, one of the anchors at WCBS, who is somewhat of a flying buff, was actually allowed to commit journalism.
They had on air, multiple, credible people who described an in flight explosion and breakup. Heck, an engine was found in Long Island Sound.
Then faster than you can say, "John Doe #2" the eyewitness accounts disappeared (and way before anyone had time to actually examine anything) only to be replaced with the cover story: jet wash, bad bolts, tail "just fell off". Bad things just happen sometimes, y'know.
I'm tired of the government covering stuff up to protect us.
And I'm getting angry. They seem to think they must, otherwise we might just do something horrible, like profile someone, or defend ourselves or or families.
Also...
If this plane was brought down by a bomb, don't you think Airbus would be screaming that there poorly designed aircraft was not at fault?
I'm looking at a calendar. November 12, 2001 was a Monday!
1. TWA Flight 800
2. Egypt Air Flight 990 (the one that was -- or wasn't -- a suicide mission by the pilot or co-pilot)
3. That SwissAir flight that crashed off the coast of Newfoundland
4. American Airlines Flight 587
"Jdey" isn't on the passenger list. Could've used an alias.
Agree.
.......'INS'.......
naw
/sarcasm
These guys thrive an aliases. Usually, they are close to ONE of their names though out of order in some way. Regardless, one would have to know something about each passenger and confirm it was them (which takies ALL the bodies to do). In the meantime, there was supposed to be video taken from a booth. We never heard anymore about it. Think "Classified"!!
Not according to this passenger list
http://www.guardian.co.uk/a300crash/story/0,11165,592701,00.html
Unless Airbus was provided with a very generous U.S. government contract soon afterwards. Someone mentioned that this was the case with Boeing in the aftermath of the Flight 800 crash.
But the question is: Where is Jday?
I love it when they put these little "mysterious source" tidbits out. Always look at them as "bait".
Whoops. My bad - you are absolutely right. Please don't tell my wife . . .
The vertical stabilizer was fished out of the bay two miles from the crash scene. If any other parts were fished out of the bay, it is because the aircraft was yawing at over 300 mph and the wind tore chunks off. Sorry, I don't believe this one was terrorism.
Now Flight 800 is a completely different story.
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