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Unspun's Website Site ^ | 08/10/2004 | Arlen Williams

[Boxsford]

I don't disagree with anything you stated.

[unspun]

Good greif -- Get a room, you two!

BTW, "troll" is not "almost troll like."

If you can't understand that, then you'll probably have difficulties with constitutional law, and American political philosophy. ;->

[technochick99]

Personally, I wouldn't waste any time arguing on these threads - say your piece and move on. No sense is spending time repeating the same thing. There are those who are dead set against Keyes and you will get nowhere with them, and will only drain your energies.

I've seen this on several threads. It really isn't worth it.

[discostu]

Gee more insults from the guy accusing others of troll-lie behavior, anybody suprised.... didn't think so.

Still can't handle the fact that Keyes himself, even in his acceptance speech, said carpetbagging is wrong huh? Try dealing with the facts. The facts are that Keyes sold out, and worst still he sold out for nothing: he's going to lose, The Ill GOP will lose this opportunity to move one of their own up in visibility, the national GOP will lose a piece of ammo to use against a possible presidential run by Hillary, and Obama will still get to campaign for other candidates around the nation. Keyes should at least have waited to sell out for a race he might actually win, by selling out for this race he's not only stopped being a man of principles, he's stopped being a man of forsight and intelligence too. A sad day all around.

[BillyBoy]

>> Tom Coburn of OK is a good strong conservative man who can actually WIN his senate race.

Ambrose,

I’m sure Alan Keyes is considered an unelectable extremist nutjob by the RINO infested California “Republican” voters (what did he get there, like 3% of your primary vote?) Of course, just about anyone to the right of Governor Red Doofus is considered an far right-wing NAZI in California.

Over here in Illinois where we pick actual REPUBLICANS in our primaries, Keyes’ platform is more in line with another “unelectable” conservative:

U.S. Senator Peter G. Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Elected: 11/03/98
Party: Republican

According to Project Vote Smart:

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 0% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the National Right to Life Committee, 100% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of Americans for Tax Reform, 95% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the National Tax Limitation Committee, 94% of the time

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Concord Coalition, 96% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of National Federation of Independent Business, 100% of the time

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the American Civil Liberties Union, 0% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Americans for the Arts 0% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Eagle Forum 87% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Christian Coalition 100% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the American Conservative Union 91% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Republican Liberty Caucus 77% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Center for Reclaiming America 100% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the National Education Association 0% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Sierra Club 20% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Family Research Council 100% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of Citizens for Global Solutions 6% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the American Security Council 75% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of Council for a Livable World 0% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of PeacePac 0% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the Council for Government Reform 77% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the American Immigration Lawyers Association 0% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the AFL-CIO 0% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of Americans for Democratic Action 5% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of the CATO Trade Policy 93% of the time.

Fitzgerald voted the preferred position of The American Legion 100% of the time.

According to the National Journal - Conservative on Foreign Policy's calculations, in 2001, Senator Fitzgerald voted more conservative on foreign policy issues than 72% of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Composite Conservative Score's calculations, in 2002, Senator Fitzgerald voted more conservative on defense issues than 68% of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Conservative on Social Policy's calculations, in 2002, Senator Fitzgerald voted more conservative on social policy issues than 62% of the Senators.

[discostu]

So far unspun's "piece" consists of nothing more that accusing people who disagree with him of "troll-like behavior". The closest he's come to presenting any facts was the link to Keyes' acceptance speech, where Keyes himself says that carpetbagging is wrong but he's gonna do it anyway.

[Boxsford]

lol! get a room? Why, so you can't read any negative comments about Keyes principles? Does it hurt your feelings?

troll? that's so 5 minutes ago.

[ambrose]

The same senator that your RINO-infested party rode out of town on a rail.

Your same sick little RINO party gave us the most corrupt criminal coddling son-of-a-bitch in history.. George Ryan.


The Illinois Republican Party should have supported Fitzgerald for another term, but they forced him out because he wouldn't 'play ball'.

[don-o]

Donate to Alan Keyes? Why don't you just go on the freeway, open your windows, and toss out $20 bills into the wind instead?

Spot on.

I once suggested that if Keyes is serious, he could move into a safe Republican district (Tennessee's first) and get himself elected.

But NOOOOO!!!

Like Jessee, he be running to where the camera are. The Big Show.

It is a waste.

[technochick99]

Keyes said that he saw a conflict of principles - that of a resident running, and that of the state's sovereign right to choose their representative. It was Obama's anti-life votes that made him decide to run.

I do no justice to his words, nor the way he wove several ideas together. He is the Republican candidate in IL, and to not support him is the same as supporting Obama.

Debating this back and forth will not change anyone's mind, especially those who do not live and vote in IL.

This may bring out people (the religious right) who wouldn't vote in the election, and they will in turn vote for Bush. Will it matter? Not with the electoral college, but it will help the popular vote, and this is one less thing for the Left to rag about.

In addition, this will make Obama spend more time and money in IL rather than helping Kerry.

As an IL resident, I see little to argue about. We had 15 FReepers attend the rally, which was great. The GOP has gained a new activist in the local organization because of Keyes, which is a win for the state GOP.

[technochick99]

Yes, it is RINO-infested. Here's a chance for more of us to be motivated to be involved. FWIW, my dad saw Fitzgerald on TV, and said it looked like he could have had a stroke due to the way his face appeared.

If there's a strong turn-out, perhaps the RINO hold will lessen. If not, then... we're still in the same leaky boat.

[discostu]

Here's what he said:
: First, as I will talk to you about, because I actually have a clear, and serious objection in principle to the notion that people of national reputation have the right to go around this country, cherry-picking the states as platforms for their ambition. I do. I have said it repeatedly; it’s not a good thing to be done.

Sorry I've never bought into that all or nothing balderdash. Not supporting an illegitimate candidate who shouldn't even be running in the first place is not the same thing as supporting his opposition. It's encouraging him to reverse his mistake and campaign for a legitimate candidate.

This may cause people that respect why the founders put a residency clause in the Constitution to stay home who would have voted in the election, and they will in turn not vote for Bush. Will it matter? Maybe.

And since Keyes is gonna get cremated I really don't see this keeping Obama at home. He can travel around campaigning for Kerry and other Dem Senators and all it shows is that when elected, if the people he campaigns for are also elected, he'll be a very well connected junior Senator that already has a powerful coalition and will be able to get things done for Illinois.

How many activists did they lose because of Keyes?

[technochick99]

You quoted his first paragraph? Well, yes, he did say that, and then expounded on the whole clash of principles. Please don't snip one thing and act like that is the be-all end-all. Given that my reply (and personal decision to support him) was based on his whole discussion about the issue, I believe your excerpt is misleading, and somewhat underhanded.

[unspun]

Personally, I wouldn't waste any time arguing on these threads - say your piece and move on. No sense is spending time repeating the same thing. There are those who are dead set against Keyes and you will get nowhere with them, and will only drain your energies. I've seen this on several threads. It really isn't worth it.

It reminds me of the drug-libertarians, yes, "trolling" around from thread to thread.

[unspun]

How many activists did they lose because of Keyes?

d, Just this question demonstrates you are not competent to analyze the factors in this Illinois situation. Instead of going on nipping at ankles in here, just leave and promote something positive. Or, read about the realities involved, in www.illinoisleader.com

You have made your point, denegrating honest and principled conservatives. If you continue, it will be a matter for freerepublic.com scrutiny.

[EveningStar]

Donate to Alan Keyes? Why don't you just go on the freeway, open your windows, and toss out $20 bills into the wind instead?

I'm with you. This is a screwy idea. Keyes is an embarassment to the GOP.

[fritzz]

Is there anyone out there who knows if our old banned FReeper CAL (Clinton's A Liar) is going to work for Keyes. She was very involved in the 2000 presidential election for Keyes. I kinda miss reading her posts and replys. Perhaps she's lurking. Just curious as to current relation with Keyes.

[unspun]

Frankly, I've read what I've written myself. Since that is the truth of it, why bother, eh? Although I appreciate the bumps, why carp? Believe me, Alan Keyes belongs in Illinois. Perhaps just as much as a Hoosier named Lincoln.

[chicagolady]

Nobody told ambrose that Jack Ryan dropped out of the racr!!

Where is a pitbull when you need one? :-)

[technochick99]

It reminds me of the drug-libertarians, yes, "trolling" around from thread to thread.

Well, actually... I'm pro-legalization, but we can save that discussion for another time. :)