Posted on 08/10/2004 12:27:10 PM PDT by BillyBoy
Oh come one, d. your skin is obviously not so thick as to be very trollish, whatever your cause, neither is it for the other two. Here, though, ponder this with your human mind.
1. This acceptance of the IL GOP invitation to run for US Senate, is utterly, thoroughly, and in black and white, federally constitutional. It is an act according to both the spirit and letter of the law, after all other options are judged by a nominating body of a state to be inadequate, for someone from out of state to accept the invitation of that body.
2. As has been explained in another thread, and as Dr. Keyes has demonstrated as well as explained, just as at the time Ft. Sumter was fired upon, there arise issues and causes that reach beneath the Constitution and into the very raison detre for our nation, expressed in our Declaration.
"Among these," are our most primal individual and corporate rights. Of individual primacy is that we are all living human beings created to live under God's "natural" law. Of foundational corporate primacy is that we are a nation, rather than a collection of independent states. It just so happens that by Article 10, our nation leaves those powers not granted by the People to Federal Government, to individual People and their states.
We must not confuse a primal right or responsibility, upon which our nation is created, with the nationally granted powers (that is, those powers granted by our nation, once our nation was already founded).
If, for primal issues of our most basic human rights and responsibilities, we cannot find our footing deeper than our Constitional "first floor," within the "foundational" responsibilities and rights of the Declaration of Independence, then we will one day be forced to find it in the one Declared corporate right/responsibility laying deeper yet: the replacement of our nation's foundation, by creating a yet newer nation, separated from its unbearable former tyranny.
If murder is not unbearable, what is?
If the deconstructionist denial of meaning, by redefinition of the word for our most basic societal contract (marriage) is not ontologically and epistemologically unbearable, what is?
Yes, and the answer to that is to run Taliban Jim Oberweis or any number of equally hideous choices? The answer to a problem that started with Ryan's corruption and RINO-ism is to avoid bringing in a politician known for principles and honesty? Sorry, I don't think so.
There's millions of people in Illinois, roughly 1/3 of them are registered Republican and at least half of them are over the age of 30 and can legally run for Senate. The illusion that you had nobody is 100% BS.
Which is why we had millions of qualified candidates volunteering for the job. No? Oops. We need name recognition, because we don't have the time to introduce someone like Taliban Jim to the general electorate. Plus, the volunteer pool was full of idiots like Barthwell.
Keyes is gonna get whipped like a redheaded stepchild, "inviting" him to carpetbag isn't going to stop Obama from winning, if anything it will ensure it, no way a hard-right conservative like Keyes can win in Daley country.
Sure. After all, Pete Fitzgerald is a total lib.
You should care if the GOIP pick is from France, that would be a blatant violation of the Constitution as written
That was exaggeration to make a point. People like Obama are the reason the Republic is currently in danger. I'm not letting this guy represent me in the Senate without a fight, and Taliban Jim Oberweis and Andrea "I'm a Democrat" Barthwell would not have been a fight. Keyes keeps Obama tied down if nothing else, and that improves the chances for GOP candidates elsewhere.
One last thing: How many Illinois conservatives or undecideds have you talked to in the last 72 hours? I've talked to a bunch, and nothing they've said gives me any pause. This will be a real race, and if Keyes has a good showing it will send a message to the Baar-Topinka RINOs that we've bloody well had enough of their crap in this state.
Fighters, rally to Keyes! Whiners, your complimentary crying towels are stacked on that table by the front door. don't let the door hit you in the butt, folks.
It's not a matter of thick skin. It's a matter of a guy who throws the first insult calling other people troll, turn up the brightness on your monitor it will reflect less.
Here's some things to ponder:
Running from out of state is obviously against the founding principles in the Constitution, if they wanted anybody to be able to be Senator anywhere why even put a residency clause in there?
This isn't reaching beneath the Constitution, this is violating the clear intent of it, and violating principles Keyes used to stand behind. What happens if next week somebody gives Keyes a good argument for abortion, he's proven one set of his principles is easily discarded who knows how many more are on the way out the door.
Even if Keyes win, which he won't, one Senate seat isn't going to end abortion. So that argument is completely invalid.
Funny how you criticize the courts (again, one Senate seat isn't going to accomplish anything here either) for changing the definition of a word, while meanwhile defending Keyes for changing the definition of the word "represent". He's not from Illinois, if he wins he still won't be from Illinois since Senators spend most of their time in DC, there's no possible way he can actually represent Illinois.
And he said himself this was wrong: First, as I will talk to you about, because I actually have a clear, and serious objection in principle to the notion that people of national reputation have the right to go around this country, cherry-picking the states as platforms for their ambition. I do. I have said it repeatedly; it’s not a good thing to be done.
Really, I'll read your post and get back to you. I'm sorry to cause you discouragement. Anyone that wants to promote a conservative is okay with me. It's just really rather pathetic that Ill.(not you) can't come up with their own candidate. I'll be quiet.
There is a candidate for US Senate who shares your position on abortion. His name is Dr. Tom Coburn. He is a real doctor, by the way. HE ALSO HAS A GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING.
Oh, and thank you.
The answer to that is to fix the Illinois GOP machine. Importing pros from Dover isn't a fix. Find some young talent, run them, get them some statewide exposure, and put them in a position to win future races. Keyes' principles and honesty are no longer known, he used to have a principle against running for office in states he didn't live in, having thrown that aside he can no longer be trusted.
So again because the Ill GOP has screwed themselves over you're willing to go for a man that's throwing aside his own principles just to run for this office. Sad sad sad.
Keyes just polled at 28%, read 'em and weep. He's gonna be lucky to top 40 by election day. By announcing to the entire nation that the Ill GOP is DOA they've already handed this election to Obama, any thinking otherwise is wishful at best, deluded at worst.
The point your exageration made is that you're willing to do anything for a win, principles be damned. That's not an honorable position. What good is a principleless victory? If you do win now you have a lose cannon "representing" you in the Senate who can't be trusted because he already violated his principles to get there. Selling out your beliefs is a lot like beating your spouse, the first one is the hardest, it's only going to get easier from here. Nothing Keyes has ever said can now be trusted. Keyes isn't going to keep Obama tied down, Keyes is going to get beaten in ways that are illegal in many states. Obama can still run all over the nation and campaign for others, that will just highlight at home how important he is. The Keyes candidacy accomplishes NOTHING for the GOP, and accomplishes quite a bit for the Democrats.
People of principle: tell Keyes to get back to his principles. People willing to throw aside everything for a win: shame on you, the horrifying defeat you will suffer is one you brought on yourself.
A ringing endorsement!
Thanks! And I agree with your sentiments --except no discouragement caused!
However I am beginning to feel a bit carpetbagged, by discostu and ambrose, if you know what I mean.
I'd happily carry Dr. Keyes bags around for him.
Unlike Keyes I've actually lived in Illinois. I'm at least as legitimate.
I would have, until he sold his principles down the river. Now he's just another scumbag situational ethics politician, can't trust a word he says and there's no reason to think he believes what he says he believes.
disc and ambrose are respected freepers and I always learn a lot from them both.
Republican principles, for some, are all just a coat of paint.
Didn't used tobe that way for Keyes though. It's sad, sadder still to watch him throw it away on what's going to be a bad loss.
ouch! that's rough.
funny though
But he's spoken out quite well against this kind of carpetbagging. It's one thing to do something wrong, it's another entirely to do something you've explained why it's wrong. Can't see that as anything other than throwing his principles out the window.
Something marinated, I don't know. I'm sure it'll be good.
Keyes is not a perfect man. It's not a perfect world.
I don't expect him to be perfect, I expect him to uphold the principles he's stated are important to him. He's said running in a state you don't live in is always wrong, now apparently there's a one time exception. How many other principles are going to get a one time exception. It's not like he couldn't have campaigned for a local candidate, it's not like his home state doesn't have federal representation. There are plenty of ways he could have done the right thing, he's spent so much time saying that what he's doing now is the wrong thing, heck he even re-iterated that it was the wrong thing in his acceptance speech. Strikes me as far too similar to x42's "I cheated because I could".
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