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In ancient Greece, nudity was Olympic Games' great equalizer
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 7/30/04 | Charles Burress

Posted on 07/30/2004 6:18:16 PM PDT by MikalM

Imagine Plato, a noted fan of ancient Greek athletics, providing color commentary for the upcoming Olympic Games:

"Why in Zeus' name are they wearing clothes?" he might ask.

The Olympics are returning to their original home in Greece next month but not to their original dress code. "This may be the most obvious and striking difference between today's athletes and the ancient Greeks," UC Berkeley archaeologist Stephen Miller says in "Ancient Greek Athletics," his new book on the ancient games. So embedded was competing in the nude that our word gymnasium comes from the Greek gymnos for "naked," Miller notes in the book, an in-depth account of a culture that loved to watch the well-proportioned bodies of young men, their skin glistening with olive oil, compete not for medals but for a sprig of olive or bunch of wild celery.

On a deeper level, Miller said, nude competition helped foster one of ancient Greece's best-known contributions to posterity -- democracy. Nudity, he said, erases marks of rank and privilege.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: archaeology; athletics; classical; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; greece; history; olympics; sports
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1 posted on 07/30/2004 6:18:20 PM PDT by MikalM
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To: MikalM

San Francisco Chronicle... predictable


2 posted on 07/30/2004 6:19:37 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: MikalM

They used to have weddings in the nude. You could always tell who was the best man.


3 posted on 07/30/2004 6:23:14 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: gilliam

It's funny they would be the ones to make this observation... The one place on earth (Frisco) where nudity would probably be the most dangerous.


4 posted on 07/30/2004 6:23:30 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: MikalM
I'm here to tell you, running in the nude, with the 'nads bouncing every which way, is no fun.
5 posted on 07/30/2004 6:25:34 PM PDT by Drango (Stupidity is the only infinitely renewable resource)
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To: MikalM

"Nudity, he said, erases marks of rank and privilege."

That ain't necessarily so...


6 posted on 07/30/2004 6:25:42 PM PDT by old3030 (Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped -- Elbert Hubbard)
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To: old3030

Could we conclude that there was a lot of juggling competition at their Olympics?


7 posted on 07/30/2004 6:28:41 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: old3030

Nice bod....but what small feet you have!!


8 posted on 07/30/2004 6:29:44 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: MikalM

Only women's figure skating should be in the nude. And maybe women's trampoline jumping.


9 posted on 07/30/2004 6:31:22 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: MikalM

The REAL reason nudity was eventually rejected: "Uh-oh. Looks like another runner is being dragged. That baton-pass needs a real tweeking."


10 posted on 07/30/2004 6:37:49 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: Larry Lucido

Slow motion on TV would make gymnastics, women hurdles, oh hell, any sport popular.


11 posted on 07/30/2004 6:52:57 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: MikalM
I don't think I want to see some of the olympic "female" athletes completly nude.


12 posted on 07/30/2004 6:57:25 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

LOL!


13 posted on 07/30/2004 8:03:23 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: MikalM
Man! This is one of those rare opportunities where a few of my infantile penis jokes might not seem so out of place. Lucky for you guys, my AC just went out and the wife and I are taking turns laying in our underwear on the tile floor in the bathroom in an effort to stay alive. It's my turn. Bye.
14 posted on 07/30/2004 8:22:24 PM PDT by Jaysun (Let me take yet another opportunity to tell the "moderates" to shove it ....... then twist it.)
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To: MikalM
Nudity, he said, erases marks of rank and privilege.

No, it doesn't. I saw a show on French TV about families spending their vacations at a nudist camp, and one of the things they liked about it was that it erased social classes. Yet, even without clothing, it was obvious these people were upper middle class. Body shape, posture, general bearing--there are a lot of ways people show their standing in society that have nothing to do with clothing.

15 posted on 07/30/2004 8:30:16 PM PDT by exDemMom (Think like a liberal? Oxymoron!)
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To: Jaysun
Lucky for you guys, my AC just went out and the wife and I are taking turns laying in our underwear on the tile floor in the bathroom in an effort to stay alive.

Arggh, the mental image!

16 posted on 07/30/2004 8:31:29 PM PDT by exDemMom (Think like a liberal? Oxymoron!)
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To: Dallas59
"I don't think I want to see some of the olympic 'female' athletes completly nude."

The female gymnasts might be of interest.

17 posted on 07/30/2004 8:33:36 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: NYC GOP Chick; Cacique
At times like this, I wish Presidio9 was still around for a "Morford" ping.

I can see why Cacique always preferred to Romans to the Greeks.

18 posted on 07/30/2004 9:20:02 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Clemenza

Whoa, what happened to get Presidio9 banned? I always liked him.


19 posted on 07/30/2004 9:50:59 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: gilliam

Anyone who has actually gone to the ancient stadium will know only a select few of the events were done in the nude.

Th western universities are renowned for getting ancient greek history and culture just plain wrong.

BTW the ancient games started in 776. (1776?)


20 posted on 07/30/2004 10:14:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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