Peaceful religion isn't spelled I-s-l-a-m: Quran verses contradicting Muslim claims

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 25, 2004 | Mychal Massie

[VOA]

"Peaceful religion isn't spelled I-s-l-a-m: Quran verses contradicting Muslim claims"

Although I haven't read it yet, I get the feeling that the book "Sedrets of The Koran"
is a good place to check out what the Koran really says.
I heard an interview with author Don Richardson a few weeks ago.
He's come to about the same conclusion I've gotten since 9-11: most Muslims are
blissfully ignorant of what the Koran says -- it's the Islamic terrorists who are the
true and obedient believers in what is written in the Koran.

[MarineDad]

With its murderous eyes set firmly upon the 7th. Now THAT'S progress, at least in Islamoland. Stinking cultists.

[MarineDad]

With its murderous eyes set firmly upon the 7th. Now THAT'S progress, at least in Islamoland. Stinking cultists.

[Atlantic Friend]

OK. Here are some :

A Christian nation, rounding up Jews to beat them up, seize their property, and ultimately killing them in the biggest mass-murder ever - because of their religion. (Nazi Germany)

Catholics burning down villages, killing the men, burning down the houses, and forcing (with priests armed with guns and grenades) the women and children to convert. There also have been countless rapes and killings (Yugoslavia, 1941-1944)

Orthodox Christians killing Catholics, Jews and Muslims to the last man, woman and children, wherever they could find them. Once again, raping, looting and killing was commonplace(ex-Yugoslavia, 1992-1994)

My own ex-teacher of Serbo-Croatian, who became Director of the Serbian National News Agency, justifying with other Serbian officials the use of snipers against Bosnian children in the name of defending the Christian religion. (1994-1995)

Or would you prefer the bombing of the church of Montgomery, Alabama (IIRC) by white Christians ?

[Taxman]

"Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion."

Sure it is -- go feed your "Islam is the religion of peace" bullsh!t to the victims of 9-11 and their survivors and see what sort of reaction you get.

As far as I am concerned, anyone in America who believes that "Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion" can move to a Muslim country today.

They will find out very quickly how "peaceful" their Islamic brothers and sisters are, particularly if they wish to practice any other religion!

[BayouCoyote]

"I'm glad to see that there are more of my fellow freeepers who see the cult for what it really is."

All of my friends and their families have finally acknowledged that it is islam that wants the annihilation of all infidels. People tend to avoid confrontation with something so terrible as islam. I cannot blame them for trying to avoid a nasty fight, but this fighter is now at the door trying to persuade us to come out to meet him. I assure you that I am more than willing and so are the vest majority of my family/friends. We are all working professionals and have lively-hoods that give us a comfortable lifestyle. Now we are willing to put that aside to defend ourselves from these murderous vermin. 9/11 woke up alot of us to what has been occurring around the world. I have tried to approach this with an open mind, but I have read the ko-rap and see what they want us to become. Well..these vermin are in for one helluva wake up call when we come round. For Pete's sake, we hunt nearly year round in my neck of the wood!
Take care,
BC

[petercooper]

Ok 7th, 12th- whatever. The muslims have contributed nothing but violence for many many many centuries.

[Atlantic Friend]

Well, I haven't my Bible readily at hand, but I prmoise you this : this evening I'll re-read the Leviticus, and also the New Testament. So tomorrow you'll either have my apologies or my arguments.

[Atlantic Friend]

I've posted a few examples of massacres done by people who call themselves Christians against Jews, Muislims, or even fellow Christians. Are you going to say these never took place ?

[2banana]

The Nazis never were Christians. They sometimes used the cover of Christianity and other religions in their propaganda but they developed their own Pagan rituals for weddings, births and other important ceremonies. They also exterminated thousands of priests and millions of Christians in concentration camps.

The Nazis used any religion to further their power. For example, the Nazis raised two Muslim Waffen SS Division during the war. These were the only true "religious" SS Division the Nazis ever created (and it is safe to say that the Germany was not a Muslim nation). Himmler was fascinated by the thought of Muslims to be fearless soldiers willing to kill for their religion. One of these Muslim Waffen SS divisions (The Hanjer Division) was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.

The KKK has never been a part of Christianity and is repudiated by every Catholic sect. Members of the KKK that commit violence are put in jail. Now compare that to the thousands of islamic terrorist groups that meet, recruit and fund raise in the local mosque.

[MarineDad]

Spot on, Mr. Cooper. And they've been allowed to get away with it far, far too long. If this bloody lunatic cult vanished from the face of the earth tomorrow, that wouldn't be too soon for me. Problem is, it certainly won't do so of its own accord, so it's going to need a little, ahem, "help". But I really don't believe there would be a big problem finding enough volunteers for the project. Go figure.

[Drawsing]

As a matter of fact, Christianity does teach I should put to death someone who's slept with a woman while she was impure, among other nasty things. I'll re-read the Leviticus book, but it's real keen on burning people alive, IIRC.

Yes please re-read Leviticus. I think you are mistaken about the impurity punishment. I believe the burning was reserved for those who practiced incest. There were laws in the Old Testament that were put in place for the maintenance of civil order and they do include what we would call capital punishment for various offenses. None of this changes the central theme of the Bible which is love and redemption of mankind.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

[Atlantic Friend]

What you say about the KKK (or even about the Nazis) is precisely what I'm trying to point out : the most heinous crimes are committed by people who disguise their earthly ambitions and personal prejudice behind religious or patriotic color.

The true message of religion is, in my own and humble opinion and as I see it, to give people and society a higher goal, and to reveal what's good within us. Christianity is not a religion of hatred, it is supposed to be a religion of love. Is it presently taught as such ? Yes, definitely. Was it always taught like that ? Sorry, but no.

I live in a city that, 400 years ago (not all that much when it comes to Christianity) the Protestants were sieging against loyalist Catholic troops. You go to La Rochelle, you'll see a city where Protestant and Catholics were quite physically at each other throats, and where killing children and burning churches were very commonplace. And it was a war between fellow Christians.

Is Islam taught as a religion of peace today ? No, certainly not, we have countless reports that indicate quite the contrary. Could it be taught as a religion of peace ? Yes it can - as it once was.

[Atlantic Friend]

Absolutely - these things are not the central message, and Christianty is not about burning people alive because they committed incest or stoning unruly children to death to prove they should respect their father.

What I'm only trying to say here is that, if you take any Holy Book and quote it our of context, you'll have the recipe for any jihad, crusade, or Holocaust some tinpot dictator could dream about.

[AnalogReigns]

Christianity does not, and has never taught Old Testament (or Old Covenant) Levititical law...law always only meant for the ancient Hebrews. The Church has always acknowleged we are under the New Covenant.

Since Jesus by definition fulfilled the law, and the ancient theocracy of Israel is done, the ceremonial and civil laws of the Old Testament--from the very first disciples, and authors of the New Testament, until now--have been discarded. I know of know Christian groups on earth who have ever practiced Old Testament laws like you mention.

Yes, Christian groups have done terrible things--and some of those terrible things in the name of Christ too. However, all can be shown to be an abrogation and denial of the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles in the New Testament.

The point of the article is that acts of terrorism...in those 90% plus of terrorist groups TODAY (not 400 years ago) which are Moslem....are CONSISTANT with the man Mohammed, and the teachings of the Koran. It is only moderate interpreters--who are willing to bend the words of the Koran to modern Western opinion--who are truly civilized.

A fundamentalist Christian will try to tell you about Jesus...a fundamentalist Moslem is just as likely to plant a bomb to kill innocents--all the while chanting "God is great!"

[Cronos]

I do apologize for making it so personal, but I really do think that unless we read theKoran we really can't fathom the mindset of this "religion."

[Cronos]

A Christian nation, rounding up Jews to beat them up, seize their property, and ultimately killing them in the biggest mass-murder ever - because of their religion. (Nazi Germany)

Would you call the NAzis Christian? Their aim was to destroyChristianity -- Hittler thought that there shoudlbe a reversion to the Nordic gods of fire and blood.

[MarineDad]

We can either read the Kookran or watch the videos (WTC, Nick Berg) - same result, same conclusion.

[Cronos]

Catholics burning down villages, killing the men, burning down the houses, and forcing (with priests armed with guns and grenades) the women and children to convert. There also have been countless rapes and killings (Yugoslavia, 1941-1944)

Never heard of those. But, even if there were, what were the numbers? Millions? 10s of thousands? or less?