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Did OKC bombers join TWA 800 plot?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, April 21, 2004

Posted on 04/20/2004 10:48:07 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Did OKC bombers join TWA 800 plot?


Posted: April 20, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

In light of what we know now we need to look back at a whole bunch of things that happened in the 1990s to see if there might be an al-Qaida connection and that would include the Oklahoma City bombing and the TWA 800 flight. There may be no connection to terrorism, but boy do we need to take a second look at it.

– Herbert Meyer, Reagan-era special assistant to CIA director, on "Fox and Friends," April 15, 2004

In this generation, no single reporter has done more resourceful legwork than Jayna Davis, the author of "The Third Terrorist." For those who have followed the fate of TWA Flight 800, one of Davis' adventures has particular relevance.

In the summer of 1996, more than a year after the Oklahoma City bombing, the intrepid KFOR-TV reporter received a tip on her unlisted home phone line to check out a certain garage, International Auto Mechanics, located a mile or so north of the Murrah Building site in Oklahoma City.

"The Iraqi soldiers had been seen hanging out at the garage," the caller told Davis, referring here to the suspects that Davis had fingered as helping Timothy McVeigh deliver the fatal bomb. The caller's boyfriend, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who worked at the garage, had started noticing a heavy influx of calls from Iran and London in early 1995.

Then, in February 1995, the new owners shut down the garage unexpectedly and let all the workers go, only to rehire them a few months later, "after the big boom downtown."

The new owners, Davis learned, were a pair of Pakistani nationals, one a full-time student and the other, a New York cab driver. The pair had shown up in November 1994 with $25,000 in cash, bought the garage, and prepaid the lease through August 1995. Before the lease was up, the pair abandoned the business and gave it back to its original Iranian owner, himself a questionable character.

On July 14, 1996, Davis, accompanied by her husband Drew, found her way to the Pakistani student. Unprepared for the interview, he dissembled his way through Davis' questions. He gave no good explanation as to why he would absorb a $25,000 loss and then hand the keys back to the original owner, a man the student claimed had tricked him into buying the shop in the first place. When Davis asked about his partner, the New York City cab driver, the Pakistani student told her that she had better catch him soon as he was heading back to New York.

To her surprise, Davis found the cab driver's name in the phone book. This time, she had Drew, a trained U.S. Army linguist and Gulf War vet with a knack for accents, make a phone call. When the Pakistani cab driver answered, Drew identified himself as "Mohammed" and ascertained that the Pakistani cab driver was indeed leaving for New York City.

In a stunning bit of chutzpah, Drew managed to solicit from the unsuspecting cab driver his New York phone number. When the cab driver started growing suspicious, Drew terminated the call, called the number in New York and asked for the cab driver by name. "He will be here on Tuesday," a man answered with a thick Arab accent. This man, too, grew quickly wary, and Drew hung up.

At 1:17 a.m. on Tuesday morning, July 16, 1996, Jayna Davis got a phone call on her unlisted line. "Jayna, don't try to run away. You're not going to get away with this," the caller growled in his foreign accent. "See you in hell." This was Davis' first and only death threat.

Later on that same day, the Islamic Change Movement issued a threat, this one received at the highest levels in Washington. The group's communique promised an attack of great "magnitude" to embarrass "the foolish American president." The threatened time was "morning dawn."

The next day, July 17, as morning dawned on the Arabian peninsula, and the sun set on Long Island, hundreds of Long Islanders – pilots, fishermen, surfers, vacationers – watched helplessly as flare-like objects ascended off the horizon, zigzagged upward, made last second course corrections and exploded violently in a bright white light. The Serbo-Croatian word for such a blast is "bojinka." Some endless seconds later, TWA Flight 800 erupted in an orange fireball of great magnitude and fell immediately into the sea

That very day, National Liberation Day in Saddam's Iraq, Ramzi Yousef had been standing trial in a New York City federal court. Evidence strongly suggests that Yousef had conspired with Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols in the Philippines in the months prior to the Murrah Building bombing. "We do know that Nichols' bombs did not work before his Philippine stay," writes Richard Clarke in "Against All Enemies," "and were deadly when he returned."

Although Yousef also oversaw the first World Trade Center bombing, he was being tried in July 1996 for his role in Operation Bojinka, a plot both to blow up American airliners with bombs and to use planes as missiles to attack American targets.

The independent analysts who have looked at the fate of TWA Flight 800 – and this includes scores of airline pilots, safety investigators, munitions experts, physicists, TWA mechanics, FAA investigators, Boeing engineers and retired military through the ranks of admiral – agree almost to a person that missiles were indeed fired, and that those missiles resulted in the destruction of the aircraft.

Given the restraints on evidence gathering, these independent investigators differ on the details. One school holds that terrorists launched the attack, most likely from the sea and with missiles likely more powerful than the much-discussed Stingers. In "First Strike: TWA Flight 800 and the Attack on America," James Sanders and I advance the theory that U.S. Navy missiles fired at and struck an explosive-packed terrorist plane in close proximity to TWA 800.

Either of these terrorist scenarios would demand a support team. When Jayna Davis heard of the TWA 800 disaster on July 17, she connected it immediately to her death threat and the cab driver's arrival in New York, both on July 16. Horrified at the implications, she had to wonder whether she had actually called the team's safe house.

This connection needs to be explored. If former CIA honcho Herbert Meyer believes that it is worth a "second look," perhaps the 9-11 Commission should oblige him.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bojinka; cashill; conspiracy; icm; mcveigh; meyer; murrahbuilding; nichols; okbomb; okc; okcbombing; ramziyousef; turass; twa800; yousef
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To: Happy2BMe
Also there was the missile that ignited. Witnessed by the Black cop who was killed later.

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To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas.
Dr. G. Brock Chisolm

41 posted on 04/21/2004 8:07:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: browardchad
New...excuse the pun...explosive information is being provided in a lawsuit brought by an Oklahoma City lawyer named Mike Johnston that was brought in March of 2002:

The facts Johnston and his team of investigators uncovered could blow the lid off the U.S. government cover-up of the "others unknown" who conspired with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols to murder 168 Americans. If proven, says Richard Perle, chairman of the Bush administration's advisory Defense Policy Board, "it would add a lot to the justification of what we do." However, Perle cautioned INSIGHT in an interview, "The case against Saddam is so powerful it would be unnecessary and unwise to pin our case on one single act, however heinous. We're looking at the aggregate of the indictment of Iraq: their weapons of mass destruction, their refusal to allow U.N. arms inspectors into the weapons facilities, their support for terrorism. If we clutched at one single act, some people might see it as an excuse."

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. district court in Washington on March 14, alleges that convicted Oklahoma City conspirator Nichols met repeatedly in the Philippines with World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Youssef, and that Youssef was an Iraqi intelligence agent. If these allegations are confirmed in court, they constitute a stunning indictment of Iraqi state complicity in murderous attacks on the United States well before Sept. 11.

But new evidence uncovered by Johnston and his investigators suggests that Youssef may have had direct ties to Iraqi intelligence all along. "We have sworn witness statements and affidavits from court cases that predate the Oklahoma City bombing that directly tie Ramzi Youssef to Dr. Ihsan Barbouti," Johnston tells INSIGHT. "The witnesses say Barbouti introduced Ramzi Youssef as an 'explosives expert for the Iraqi National Oil Company,' and that Youssef was working in Kuwait for Barbouti prior to the Iraqi invasion." Johnston says that he believes Barbouti was married to a member of Saddam Hussein's al-Tikriti clan. In tribal Iraq, such ties create bonds of absolute loyalty.

Insight Magazine

Will do some research to see what the status of this case is...

42 posted on 04/21/2004 8:17:29 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ovrtaxt
"#1- Buying a car repair business AND prepaying the lease for 10 months with $25,000? Either it was a supremely crappy business, or they got an UNbelievable deal."

"#2- Within 10 months, they give it up and GIVE IT BACK to the original owner? Okay."

It could be the $25,000 was just the down payment and that the previous owner carried the contract.

This does happen. My father owned a Mobile Home Court sold it with $25,000 down and carried the contract. When the new owner couldn't make the payments because of the interest rate they took it back.

43 posted on 04/21/2004 8:33:17 AM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: AnimalLover
Great post John - maybe we can squeeze all the "buried" stuff into the light of day.

All I can say is that if John Kerry should (God forbid) become president, the United States in finished! And there will be no chance of a turn-around.

Expect a breakup of the United States similar to that of the Soviet Union, with a Civil War that follows the prototype of Finland in 1918 moreso that the US in 1960-1864, either preceeding or following a Kerry assumption of power.

Especially if it were to take place following a presidential plane crash.

44 posted on 04/21/2004 8:45:38 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: B4Ranch
"Witnessed by the Black cop who was killed later."

I wasn't aware of this. How was he "killed?"

45 posted on 04/21/2004 8:48:08 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: ravingnutter
Dead Witnesses:
JOEY GLADDEN - PRISON GUARD

DR. DON CHUMLEY - MEDICAL DOCTOR

TERRANCE YEAKEY - POLICE OFFICER

Source

Keep going. Don't stop there.

More than two dozen probables, as of around a year ago.

46 posted on 04/21/2004 8:51:26 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: browardchad
Last reported action on that lawsuit was April 1993 according to Klayman's website. They issued a subpeona to Mohammed Al-Douri, Saddam Hussein’s ambassador to the United Nations. The original complaint can be viewed here
47 posted on 04/21/2004 8:58:31 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: archy
Okay...found these:

Jack Colvert

Jackie Majors

Buddy Youngblood

Mike Loudenslager

Kenneth Trentadue

Source

Quit being a tease and give us the whole list already : )

48 posted on 04/21/2004 9:16:32 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: AnimalLover
Great post John - maybe we can squeeze all the "buried" stuff into the light of day.

All I can say is that if John Kerry should (God forbid) become president, the United States in finished! And there will be no chance of a turn-around.

Expect a breakup of the United States similar to that of the Soviet Union, with a Civil War that follows the prototype of Finland in 1918 moreso that the US in 1960-1864, either preceeding or following a Kerry assumption of power.

Especially if it were to take place following a presidential plane crash.

49 posted on 04/21/2004 9:42:10 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: JohnHuang2
This just really pisses me off!! Everyone lies about 600 murdered Americans!! If clinton/allbore was President we may have never found the truth about 911???

Pray for W and The Truth

50 posted on 04/21/2004 9:47:51 AM PDT by bray (Yaaaawn Tax & Carry, just a little guy Billionaire!!)
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To: JohnHuang2
...James Sanders and I advance the theory that U.S. Navy missiles fired at and struck an explosive-packed terrorist plane in close proximity to TWA 800.

Had that been the case at least one of the hundreds of sailors serving aboard the warship involved would have said something to someone. So far, not even a hint of a rumor from that source has come to my attention.

51 posted on 04/21/2004 9:51:49 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
...Arabic is so old and has gone down so many different paths that people from different countries or regions have trouble understanding each other.

Sounds like the U.S. before TV started to "homogenize" us. A Maine lobsterman and an Alabama sharcropper used to sound like they were speaking two different languages.

52 posted on 04/21/2004 9:59:18 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: ravingnutter
Dead Witnesses:

JOEY GLADDEN - PRISON GUARD

DR. DON CHUMLEY - MEDICAL DOCTOR

TERRANCE YEAKEY - POLICE OFFICER

Source

Keep going. Don't stop there.

More than two dozen probables, as of around a year ago.

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Jack Colvert

Jackie Majors

Buddy Youngblood

Mike Loudenslager

Kenneth Trentadue

Quit being a tease and give us the whole list already : )

I'm not being a tease; it's been more than a year since I looked hard at OKC. But starting with what's there, I can rebuild at least a solid starting place for the list, and if I can dig out my old notes, I can add that data to it, as well as anything more recent.

JOEY GLADDEN - PRISON GUARD

DR. DON CHUMLEY - MEDICAL DOCTOR- Witness to Mike Loudenslager live activity post-bombing, spoke with uninjured BATF agents wanting bandadged so as to appear injured.

TERRANCE YEAKEY - POLICE OFFICER- Witness to Mike Loudenslager live activity post-bombing.

Jack Colvert- saw Mike Loudenslager Alive, post-bomb explosion

Jackie Majors- saw Mike Loudenslager Alive, post-bomb explosion

Buddy Youngblood- saw Mike Loudenslager Alive, post-bomb explosion

Mike Loudenslager- Murrah bldg. G.S.A. employee

Kenneth Trentadue

In 1997, Assistant Us Attorney, Ted Richardson, was found dead near his church in OKC with a shotgun wound to his chest. He was married, was a sports hunter and active with his sons in the Boys Scouts and his church. The US Attorney, Patrick Ryan returned to OKC from Denver during the McVeigh trial to the OKC office of the US Attorney, once he learned of his assistant’s death.

Project Heartland: Information on the FEMA-funded US attorney office's tracking of OKC bombing witnesses and family members *here*.

From 5 original staff members, Project Heartland grew to 65 employees providing a comprehensive array of clinical, educational, and outreach services. Oh, Indeed!

53 posted on 04/21/2004 10:05:02 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: JimRed
Had that been the case at least one of the hundreds of sailors serving aboard the warship involved would have said something to someone. So far, not even a hint of a rumor from that source has come to my attention.

You familiar with the WWII incident involving the Leopoldville. Or the merchant vessel, John Harvey? They kept those secrets for 50 years.

How about the Project Cyanide/Frontlet 615 operation involving the U.S. submarine that observed and filmed the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty through their periscope 37 years ago, probably the U.S.S. Amberjack, SS522 . Thirty-Four Americans were killed in that little *incident.* And it could have been worse. Much, much worse:


54 posted on 04/21/2004 10:23:16 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Happy2BMe
In the audio interview in the links below, Tonia Yeakey tells the story of Terrance Yeakey, an American hero. He was the first OKC Police Department officer inside the Murrah Building after the bombing on April 19,1995. Terrance Yeakey went straight into the building and started rescuing survivors. A year later, on May 8,1996, Terry's body was found in a field one and a half miles from his car. His car was filled with blood. Terry was found with his jugular vein cut in two places, both wrists cut, and both arms cut at the elbow and rope burns on his limbs and a bullet in the head.

Tonia states that a member of law enforcement confirmed the body was drug from one place to another. The FBI immediately took over the investigation and ruled it a suicide without an autopsy, even though according to the funeral director the cuts were too deep and severe for the use of embalming fluid.

55 posted on 04/21/2004 11:53:05 AM PDT by B4Ranch (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer); FreeAtlanta
I did not take this to mean that Drew spoke in Arabic-accented English, but that he spoke in Pashto, or some other Pakistani language.

After all, Pakistanis are not Arabs, nor do they speak Arabic as their native tongue.

Many of our well-trained SF guys can speak several languages.

56 posted on 04/21/2004 1:19:18 PM PDT by happygrl (this war is for all the marbles...)
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To: ravingnutter; LadyDoc
Additional facts (gleaned from years of reading the OKC threads on FR):

Iraqi Officers who defected during the Gulf War were relocated with their families to the US. Oklahoma City was one of the areas where they were relocated. Some may have been Iraqi Agents, planted by Saddam.

Oklahoma City was the site of the Islamic Conference that Steve Emerson surreptiously attended and filmed for his video and book Jihad in America.

57 posted on 04/21/2004 1:27:32 PM PDT by happygrl (this war is for all the marbles...)
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To: FreeAtlanta
He is accused of that bombing, yes.
58 posted on 04/21/2004 1:29:42 PM PDT by happygrl (this war is for all the marbles...)
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To: bray
If Al Gore were President on 9-11, it would have been reported as an air traffic controller snafu.
59 posted on 04/21/2004 1:29:43 PM PDT by tractorman
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To: archy
Expect a breakup of the United States similar to that of the Soviet Union, with a Civil War that follows the prototype of Finland in 1918 moreso that the US in 1960-1864, either preceeding or following a Kerry assumption of power.

Especially if it were to take place following a presidential plane crash.

Looking for some hint that this is a tongue-in-cheek comment, or less obviously sarcastic. Hmmm.... coming from someone with posts generally informative and sensible, I've just gotten goosebumps.

Please do clarify who would be the Vice-President who would assume power. Hillary ?

BTW, I'm one who considers it likely that the US will break up, or break out in Civil War, sometime during my life. We are as polarized in this nation as we were in the 1850s.

60 posted on 04/21/2004 1:40:30 PM PDT by happygrl (this war is for all the marbles...)
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