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Say It Ain't So, Dubya
boblonsberry.com ^ | 1/7/04 | Bob Lonsberrry

Posted on 01/07/2004 6:06:39 AM PST by shortstop

In politics, it’s good to be up for grabs. And it’s miserable to be a sure thing.

As President Bush will prove today. In an expected announcement of sweeping amnesty and Social Security benefits for illegal Mexican aliens, the president will kick conservatives in the teeth in order to woo Latino voters.

It’s clear proof that the adage “Dance with the one what brung ya” doesn’t apply in the GOP.

In the GOP, conservatives exist to donate money and vote a straight ticket, and then be ignored. At least in this Administration and by this Congress. Time after time, the principles of those who put George W. Bush in office have been compromised and rejected. And now, on an issue that could forever alter the nature of the United States, conservatives are being betrayed by their president.

And, you could argue, so is the country.

What are the details? We won’t learn until today. But it is expected that a new “adjusted work status” will be announced for most of the eight million Mexicans currently in this country illegally. Also, lifetime Social Security benefits will be guaranteed illegal Mexican aliens – even after they leave the United States – if they pay Social Security tax for as little as 18 months.

Lawbreakers will be rewarded, and the American taxpayer will become the primary funder of the Mexican retirement system.

And billions of dollars of wages earned by illegal aliens will continue to be sent back to Mexico – bleeding our prosperity and continuing as the second largest cash source for the Mexican economy.

Why is this happening?

Why is the Republican president selling out everything you would think his party stands for?

Because the Latino vote is in play.

Simply put, the large number of Latinos in America have not yet clearly identified with a political party. And the Republicans want them. The Democratic Party owns the black vote lock, stock and barrel and the Republican Party wants to do the same with the Latino vote.

Democrats hope to draw Latino voters by convincing them – as they have African-Americans – that they are an underprivileged minority which needs the Democratic Party to avenge it against the larger American culture.

Republicans hope to draw Latino voters by convincing them – as they have American moderates and conservatives – that they are part of the larger American culture.

Democrats want people identified as minorities; Republicans want people identified as the mainstream.

Apparently President Bush believes that the Republican Party can win the heart of Latinos by rewarding millions of illegal Mexican aliens and by creating a welfare entitlement for people who aren’t even Americans.

Specifically, by caving in to a demand by Mexican President Vicente Fox – the author of the policy President Bush will announce today.

Latinos are powerful because they are up for grabs. Conservatives are powerless because they are a sure thing.

Honestly, if conservatives get ticked off at George W. Bush, what are they going to do? Who are they going to vote for?

Howard Dean? Hillary Clinton?

No way.

After being walked on and ignored, conservatives will dutifully come out this fall to support not just President Bush but the Republican Congress. Why?

Because we want judges and cabinet secretaries and protections for guns and free enterprise and property rights – things we didn’t really get this go round but hope to get in the next.

Conservatives are patsies to the Republican Party, just like blacks are patsies to the Democratic Party. Both get stroked at election time, and both get some very pretty speeches, but when it comes time to make laws and keep promises, both groups are roundly ignored by their parties.

Critics of this policy – as comments from the White House spokesman already indicate – are going to be labeled xenophobes and bigots. There will be syrupy quotes about this being a nation of immigrants and how new people coming to America make it a better nation.

Well, it used to be that way. When our foreign forefathers came to America to be Americans.

But those days have passed. Overwhelmingly, Mexicans come to America to be Mexicans. The melting pot is broken. The language is not learned, the culture is not adopted, the customs and values are not acquired.

And in a couple of generations the Latin Quarter is going to refer to that part of America west of Louisiana and south of Oregon and Idaho. There is a broad-based Latinization of the United States underway, a cultural conquest that the Mexican army could not win but the American government is willing to surrender.

We are growing our own Quebec, and it speaks Spanish. Latino immigrants, and specifically Mexicans, are wonderful people. Yet their success in this country – and the continued integrity of this country – are dependant on obeying the law and acquiring the culture and values of the American Constitution and heritage.

And that is not done by rewarding those whose first act on American soil was an immigration crime.

Instead of granting amnesty and rewarding lawbreakers, we should make a guest-worker program that lets Mexican immigrants walk honorably through the front door instead of illegally through the back door. We have the jobs, they want the work, let us bring order to putting the two together.

And then secure the borders, with troops if need be, so that illegal immigration stops.

Reward those who do right, not those who do wrong. Quicker, more efficient legal immigration is right. Amnesty is wrong.

And this fool idea of opening the empty Social Security coffers to Mexican nationals in Mexico is insane.

But if insanity buys votes, in an election year it becomes law.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; aliens; bush; buyingvotes; camejo; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; illegalmexicans; invasion; kerry; lonsberry; mexico; nader; pandering; plunderamericans; theft; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; welfarestate
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To: apillar
That is the Republicans need conservative votes to get elected so they throw out a few platitudes around election time to make sure conservatives come out to the polls, but as soon as the election is over conservatives concerns are forgotten untill the next election. A few conservatives are given token positions of power, but any true conservative that strives for power is dismissed as extreme and not supported by the party. And just like Blacks and the Democrat party, the republicans can get away with this because conservatives have nowhere else to turn.

BUMP!

Just damn...that is so spot on...I'm speechless. Multi-mega-kudos to you.

21 posted on 01/07/2004 6:23:44 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: KantianBurke
To late! our President has made a executive decision to lose the election on this one major mistake in policy.

Sorry but I am very angry as are millions of Americans, be they conservative or moderates.
22 posted on 01/07/2004 6:24:02 AM PST by stopem
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To: shortstop
The Mexicans are really bright people. But, when questioned by an American or a cop, they automatically lapse into "Johnny the Dunce." They "no-spicka-de-Inglese," don't understand, and always fake an answer. Yet, EVERY ONE of them already knows how to play this proposal to get the most money and send most of that back to Mexico. Those in Mexico now know when it is best to sneak into the US and claim the maximum. A bunch of them will now, over time, all claim to be the same guy, thereby qualifying for a single benefit, knowing that they will later claim multiple individual benefits (for which no single one has qualified) based on the collective work.

And, while they prepare to loot the federal assests, why not also take private assets. Mexican crime in trhe US will go up!! And, what do we get in return? Has Fox agreed to block all new criminal illegals? Of course not; that is a gringo problem!

23 posted on 01/07/2004 6:24:49 AM PST by Tacis
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To: shortstop
While our men and women die in Iraq, this administration wants to give amnesty to illegal aliens, the greatest danger to our national security. This smacks of treason.

Far too many of these illegal aliens (criminals) have an enormous sense of entitlement: They aren't about to learn English and instead expect us to learn their language. They expect reduced college tuition. They declare boycotts when they don't get what they want. And the latest -- to be able to file anonymous lawsuits. (See "Aliens' college suit derailed," The Washington Times, Jan. 7, '04, p. B3)

24 posted on 01/07/2004 6:25:24 AM PST by Dante3
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To: KantianBurke
"My proposals will cost money and require an expansion of the federal government in certain areas."

Then the self-proclaimed 'real conservatives' will never support it.

25 posted on 01/07/2004 6:26:03 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing
Because, we conservatives have no one else to vote for without throwing the race to the communist running as demorats.

Putting Bush back in will be the end of conservative influence in the GOP. Seems the only time the GOP has any conservative principles is when it is out of power. I intend to do my part to help restore their principles. If it elects a dim, at least we'll see what the house and senate republicans are made of.

26 posted on 01/07/2004 6:26:07 AM PST by steve50 ("There is Tranquility in Ignorance, but Servitude is its Partner.")
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To: shortstop
Further proof that Bush, much like Clinton, will stop at absolutely nothing in his drive to get re-elected. And the Bush apologists on FR will line up like lemmings to vote for him.
27 posted on 01/07/2004 6:26:26 AM PST by kegler4
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To: apillar
A few conservatives are given token positions of power, but any true conservative that strives for power is dismissed as extreme and not supported by the party. And just like Blacks and the Democrat party, the republicans can get away with this because conservatives have nowhere else to turn

Huh Reagan never signed a partial birth abortion ban. Appointed Sandra Day O'Connor. Oh yeah he signed an amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Anyway before you go your tirades, look at the whole picture and maybe get over your amimus towards people who make your beds at the hotels you stay at or clean the toilets at your office.

28 posted on 01/07/2004 6:27:15 AM PST by Dane
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To: shortstop; Sabretooth; SJackson; Dubya; MeeknMing; JohnHuang2; Jim Robinson
"What are the details? We won’t learn until today. But it is expected that a new “adjusted work status” will be announced for most of the eight million Mexicans currently in this country illegally. Also, lifetime Social Security benefits will be guaranteed illegal Mexican aliens – even after they leave the United States – if they pay Social Security tax for as little as 18 months.

Michael Savage last night on Bill OReilly was claiming you can't just count the ten or so million being granted amnesty today.

He said you need to consider the other tens of millions connected with the ones recieving amnesty today to really understand the picture.

In other words, grant amnesty to ten million on 7 January, 2004 is in reality granting amnesty to them, their wives, children, parents, grantparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, neices and nephews.

No biggie.

29 posted on 01/07/2004 6:28:22 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: shortstop
Defund the Elephant, Bump.
30 posted on 01/07/2004 6:28:31 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts....)
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To: Dante3
While our men and women die in Iraq, this administration wants to give amnesty to illegal aliens, the greatest danger to our national security. This smacks of treason

Please show me where what Bush is proposing is "amnesty". You can't.

31 posted on 01/07/2004 6:28:53 AM PST by Dane
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To: MEGoody
"My proposals will cost money and require an expansion of the federal government in certain areas."

Then the self-proclaimed 'real conservatives' will never support it.

Oh, you're a hoot.

Seeing that one of the few real and constitutional duties of the federal government IS to defend and protect the borders of this country, I'd think %100 of real conservatives would overwhelmingly support it thankyouverymuch.

32 posted on 01/07/2004 6:30:36 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: pcx99
And, in addition to your points, the $billions that may flow to Mexico don't stay in Mexico.

Mexicans perform jobs Americans are too proud to do, it seems.

Immigrants are a plus, not a minus (the founder of Intel is not a native American). Conservatives need to put away images of scorn which border on stereotyping bigotry, and embrace positive aspects of this policy.

The fastest way to make new Republicans is to make people prosperous. Don't help DemocRats radicalize components of the citizenry to enslave them (and so, us) in a cycle of false governmental largesse. That cycle requires a perpetual base of left-leaning citizens to ensure perpetuation of the enslavement. Look at the black vote: a solid block of DemcRat supporters, always stuck at the bottom of socioeconomic ladder.

Comprimise is required here. Don't despise: embrace. Elections are won at the center; don't let a pseudocentrist win (Dean) by espousing what seems to be bigotry.

33 posted on 01/07/2004 6:30:36 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Dane
This is going to be a fun day.
34 posted on 01/07/2004 6:30:46 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: kegler4
Further proof that Bush, much like Clinton, will stop at absolutely nothing in his drive to get re-elected

Actually he is trying to solve a problem. How are you going to deport 8 million people? One country in modern times did that, nazi germany. I am surmising that is your model.

Count me out.

35 posted on 01/07/2004 6:31:14 AM PST by Dane
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To: MEGoody
I answered you in a previous thread. Perhaps you should refresh your browser before asking the same question again and again.
36 posted on 01/07/2004 6:32:23 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: steve50
I'm with you, I would like to start a website and wonder if anyone else would be interested. Something like www.conservativesagainstbush.com - I am also a true conservative and believe that Bush Jr. is taking the same playbook as Bush Sr. and dictating his elitist attitude. I feel that republicans and conservatives are better off electing a democrat for president than a RINO. Lets face it, Bush has limited our speech, supportted affirmative action thus racism, raised spending to an all time high, and now wants to reward lawbreakers for entering this country illegally.

If there is anyone who would like to help me start this website please respond here or send me an email. Bush can not count on our vote just becuase he has an R behind his name. Thanks
37 posted on 01/07/2004 6:32:24 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: Dane; apillar
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The last Republican to serve in the White House was this man . .

(Unfortunately, the U.S.A. is unable or unwilling to produce another leader such as Ronald Reagan.)

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This idea that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan's Speech at the 1964 National Convention: A Time for Choosing

38 posted on 01/07/2004 6:32:35 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: Dane
Actually he is trying to solve a problem. How are you going to deport 8 million people? One country in modern times did that, nazi germany. I am surmising that is your model.

*yawn*

39 posted on 01/07/2004 6:32:39 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: shortstop
we didn’t really get this go round but hope to get in the next.

Lemme get out my magic 8-ball and see what it says....


40 posted on 01/07/2004 6:32:50 AM PST by TomServo ("She wouldn't have me on a silver platter." "How about on an air mattress slathered with butter?")
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