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Say It Ain't So, Dubya
boblonsberry.com ^ | 1/7/04 | Bob Lonsberrry

Posted on 01/07/2004 6:06:39 AM PST by shortstop

In politics, it’s good to be up for grabs. And it’s miserable to be a sure thing.

As President Bush will prove today. In an expected announcement of sweeping amnesty and Social Security benefits for illegal Mexican aliens, the president will kick conservatives in the teeth in order to woo Latino voters.

It’s clear proof that the adage “Dance with the one what brung ya” doesn’t apply in the GOP.

In the GOP, conservatives exist to donate money and vote a straight ticket, and then be ignored. At least in this Administration and by this Congress. Time after time, the principles of those who put George W. Bush in office have been compromised and rejected. And now, on an issue that could forever alter the nature of the United States, conservatives are being betrayed by their president.

And, you could argue, so is the country.

What are the details? We won’t learn until today. But it is expected that a new “adjusted work status” will be announced for most of the eight million Mexicans currently in this country illegally. Also, lifetime Social Security benefits will be guaranteed illegal Mexican aliens – even after they leave the United States – if they pay Social Security tax for as little as 18 months.

Lawbreakers will be rewarded, and the American taxpayer will become the primary funder of the Mexican retirement system.

And billions of dollars of wages earned by illegal aliens will continue to be sent back to Mexico – bleeding our prosperity and continuing as the second largest cash source for the Mexican economy.

Why is this happening?

Why is the Republican president selling out everything you would think his party stands for?

Because the Latino vote is in play.

Simply put, the large number of Latinos in America have not yet clearly identified with a political party. And the Republicans want them. The Democratic Party owns the black vote lock, stock and barrel and the Republican Party wants to do the same with the Latino vote.

Democrats hope to draw Latino voters by convincing them – as they have African-Americans – that they are an underprivileged minority which needs the Democratic Party to avenge it against the larger American culture.

Republicans hope to draw Latino voters by convincing them – as they have American moderates and conservatives – that they are part of the larger American culture.

Democrats want people identified as minorities; Republicans want people identified as the mainstream.

Apparently President Bush believes that the Republican Party can win the heart of Latinos by rewarding millions of illegal Mexican aliens and by creating a welfare entitlement for people who aren’t even Americans.

Specifically, by caving in to a demand by Mexican President Vicente Fox – the author of the policy President Bush will announce today.

Latinos are powerful because they are up for grabs. Conservatives are powerless because they are a sure thing.

Honestly, if conservatives get ticked off at George W. Bush, what are they going to do? Who are they going to vote for?

Howard Dean? Hillary Clinton?

No way.

After being walked on and ignored, conservatives will dutifully come out this fall to support not just President Bush but the Republican Congress. Why?

Because we want judges and cabinet secretaries and protections for guns and free enterprise and property rights – things we didn’t really get this go round but hope to get in the next.

Conservatives are patsies to the Republican Party, just like blacks are patsies to the Democratic Party. Both get stroked at election time, and both get some very pretty speeches, but when it comes time to make laws and keep promises, both groups are roundly ignored by their parties.

Critics of this policy – as comments from the White House spokesman already indicate – are going to be labeled xenophobes and bigots. There will be syrupy quotes about this being a nation of immigrants and how new people coming to America make it a better nation.

Well, it used to be that way. When our foreign forefathers came to America to be Americans.

But those days have passed. Overwhelmingly, Mexicans come to America to be Mexicans. The melting pot is broken. The language is not learned, the culture is not adopted, the customs and values are not acquired.

And in a couple of generations the Latin Quarter is going to refer to that part of America west of Louisiana and south of Oregon and Idaho. There is a broad-based Latinization of the United States underway, a cultural conquest that the Mexican army could not win but the American government is willing to surrender.

We are growing our own Quebec, and it speaks Spanish. Latino immigrants, and specifically Mexicans, are wonderful people. Yet their success in this country – and the continued integrity of this country – are dependant on obeying the law and acquiring the culture and values of the American Constitution and heritage.

And that is not done by rewarding those whose first act on American soil was an immigration crime.

Instead of granting amnesty and rewarding lawbreakers, we should make a guest-worker program that lets Mexican immigrants walk honorably through the front door instead of illegally through the back door. We have the jobs, they want the work, let us bring order to putting the two together.

And then secure the borders, with troops if need be, so that illegal immigration stops.

Reward those who do right, not those who do wrong. Quicker, more efficient legal immigration is right. Amnesty is wrong.

And this fool idea of opening the empty Social Security coffers to Mexican nationals in Mexico is insane.

But if insanity buys votes, in an election year it becomes law.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; aliens; bush; buyingvotes; camejo; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; illegalmexicans; invasion; kerry; lonsberry; mexico; nader; pandering; plunderamericans; theft; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; welfarestate
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To: TheGeezer
What do you want? Bush and strong defense, or Dean,

False argument, who control's the house and senate? Well maybe not after this amnesty deal. Anyway Bush has been in office three years, how many new divisions have been added to the military?

121 posted on 01/07/2004 7:32:47 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: VRWC_minion
The US taxpayer wins on this.

Exactly how does that happen? I figure I can do a much better job investing %8-%10 more of my paycheck than the feds can.

Unless you are operating under the premise that, social security will never go away; so in order to be able to pay the benefits for all the baby boomers till they die (and afterward), the US has to import every 18-35 year old Julio and Lupita they can get to be able to fund it...the alternative to that is to raise the SS tax rate.

122 posted on 01/07/2004 7:34:50 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Chi-Town Lady

This charge has been leveled against every immigrant wave since the mayflower. It was untrue of the irish, it was untrue of the poles, untrue of the italians, the germans, the jews, the vietnamese, the chineese, the japaneese, and it's untrue of the Mexicans.

123 posted on 01/07/2004 7:34:59 AM PST by pcx99
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To: pcx99
This whole issue is difficult - I will wait to give my opinion on Bush's policy until I HEAR it first - how many times has the media come out and stated what Bush will do, but yet has left out important facts until he's told us so himself. Everything this man stands for talks about responsibility yet with care towards human life - so,let's see the details first and then start another thread...
124 posted on 01/07/2004 7:35:59 AM PST by princess leah
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To: sasafras
I agree - the demoncrats are dispacable no doubt - but if we vote for Bush then we can only expect more of this. My hope is that the congress will continue to become more conservative and this will force positive change in our country.

PLEASE tell me you won't vote for "syrpy sweet mouth" Dean!

126 posted on 01/07/2004 7:36:33 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Servant of the 9
No, I won't vote for Howard Dean or Hitlery Clinton, but I am ready to sit this election out.

We conservatives need to vote, there are other candidates who are worthy of our support.

But if you want to send a very clear message to the party on this issue, write in Tom Tancredo for president.

127 posted on 01/07/2004 7:38:14 AM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Dane
JMO, but you have outed yourself as DU'er.

I was curious about that as well, what convinced me is that sasafras called him Bush Jr., which is a big DU red flag. No one that has ever held the slightest allegiance towards Bush calls him Jr.

128 posted on 01/07/2004 7:39:11 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: shortstop
Say It Ain't So, Dubya

Just think, if we got rid of 270 million of the 300 million people living in the United States, we could have at least 10 jobs for every one of the 30 million left to choose from! We'd have more than full employment. And since there would be less people, there would be a whole lot more money to go around and we could all make many, many times more than we do right now!
129 posted on 01/07/2004 7:40:29 AM PST by aruanan
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To: KantianBurke
"I answered you in a previous thread. Perhaps you should refresh your browser before asking the same question again and again."

I see. So you can post the same thing again and again and again, but others can't.

Ever heard the word hypocrisy?

130 posted on 01/07/2004 7:40:49 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: pcx99
"If you want to see the America of 2020 look toward florida where the large cuban immigrants have reshaped that state."

Yeah buddy, they have "reshaped" it into areas that you dare not run out of gas in, in Miami. The job vacancy problem is already being "solved" by outsourcing of jobs and manufacturing. All Mexicans will do is reduce the average wage to poverty level and destroy the American standard of living.

131 posted on 01/07/2004 7:41:48 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: shortstop
When will it end??? Not into YOU, my fellow Freepers, make it happen. Our only hope is to show them we will not tolerate endless compromise.

"And what country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?"

--Thomas Jefferson

132 posted on 01/07/2004 7:41:55 AM PST by Capitalism2003 (Got principles? http://www.LP.org)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
"Seeing that one of the few real and constitutional duties of the federal government IS to defend and protect the borders of this country, I'd think %100 of real conservatives would overwhelmingly support it thankyouverymuch."

Based on what I've seen on other threads, anything that cost more money (e.g. the Dept. of Homeland Security) is a bad thing according to those who have labeled themselves the 'real conservatives.'

So, hon, don't get snippy with me. Get snippy with them when they start ranting about it.

133 posted on 01/07/2004 7:42:30 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: MEGoody
Bit of a difference. Plenty of Bush supporters are tauntingly asking "well what's YOUR plan to deal with illegals?" I therefore paste a very comprehensive list of actions that can be taken for their benefit as well as those Freepers who are unable to answer. You just respond with a couple sentence whine that doesn't address any segement of the post.
134 posted on 01/07/2004 7:43:53 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: skeeter
But if you want to send a very clear message to the party on this issue, write in Tom Tancredo for president

Exactly what I plan to do.

135 posted on 01/07/2004 7:44:26 AM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
You are close. The taxes we receive on the scheme far exceed the value of the future benefit. No one would buy this product if it was sold by fidelity or vanguard. Therefore, instead of complaining about new participants, we should be knocking on doors attempting to get more people involved.
136 posted on 01/07/2004 7:44:45 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: William McKinley
I agree with you 100 percent. Thanks for posting what I was thinking.
137 posted on 01/07/2004 7:45:25 AM PST by axel f
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To: KantianBurke
"You just respond with a couple sentence whine that doesn't address any segement of the post."

LOL My, aren't you testy. LOL

If you'd have bothered to actually READ what I initially posted, I didn't say whether I felt the proposal was right or wrong. I only pointed out that there are those who have labeled themselves 'real conservatives' that will not support any proposal that costs them money, whether in the short term or long term.

If you have an issue with that attitude, your issue is with THEM. Take a chill pill.

138 posted on 01/07/2004 7:47:04 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: mgist
I hear you brother. Many immigrants are great people from hard working solid family backrounds. They have a lot of positive things to offer this country. I still find it amazing how people who come here, many barely speaking the language, manage to carve out a good life for themselves and their families. While other traditional Americans can't manage to keep or find a job or manage other basic civic responsibilities for that matter.

It seems that those willing to come here at any cost are here for a very different reason than those who claim to have inherited their existance here from those who were brought here in chains. I hope that goofy sentence makes sense.

139 posted on 01/07/2004 7:47:34 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: MEGoody
Based on what I've seen on other threads, anything that cost more money (e.g. the Dept. of Homeland Security) is a bad thing according to those who have labeled themselves the 'real conservatives.'

So, hon, don't get snippy with me. Get snippy with them when they start ranting about it.

*whatever*

140 posted on 01/07/2004 7:49:42 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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