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Panel calls for neutral bathrooms ("Transgender" Loony Alert!)
Chicago Maroon ^ | 11/21/03 | Robert Katz

Posted on 11/21/2003 1:59:13 PM PST by MikalM

For most people, deciding which bathroom to use in the Regenstein Library does not require mental gymnastics. But for some, a trip to the restroom is less simple, with gay, lesbian, and transgendered students worried about the implications of which bathrooms they enter.

At the Center for Gender Studies on Wednesday night, a panel of four discussed the need for gender-neutral bathrooms on campus, specifically one in the Regenstein and one in Cobb Hall.

Members of Feminist Majority, Queers & Associates, and the Center for Gender Studies organized the panel as part of the Coalition for a Queer Safe Campus.
“Going to the bathroom is a moment where definition is very important in choosing a door,” said Mary Anne Case, one of the panelists.

She pointed out that many women’s restrooms have a caricature of a person in a dress on it. “Going into it implies that we are willing to be associated with that image. There are only two [images] to choose from. This moment involves an act of self-labeling.”

The bathrooms would materially remain the same, but both sexes would be allowed to use either one. There are already bathrooms like this in Pierce and BJ.

Bill Michel, deputy dean of the College, said that the University was just beginning to research the issue. “I was pleased that the students organized on open panel discussion to highlight the issues and encourage community discussion on the topic,” he said. “If we are to make this change it would be in order to meet the needs of members of our community.”

Michel said that he would review the practical issues and assess the impact of the change with the students who made the request.

Ana Minyan, the moderator of the panel, said that bathrooms will be called gender-neutral, rather than co-ed, because, “this terminology is generally used to refer to two sexes while the gender-neutral tends to be associated with more diversity and fluidity within the sex-gender continuum. As our aim is to make everyone, no matter what their gender and/or sexual persona is, more comfortable, we are using the term gender-neutral.”

The panelists pointed out that many of the supposed benefits of gender-segregated bathrooms are in fact weaknesses of the system. Case, who is involved with ongoing anecdotal research on gender iniquities in bathroom allotments, called her research “the toilet survey” to ridicule the disadvantages associated with conception of separate but equal.

The questionnaire asks patrons at restaurants, stadiums, and other public places to mark how many stalls and urinals are in their restroom. It also asks what additional “services” each offers (mirror, attendant, baby-changing table, etc.).

Case said that the safety of these bathrooms that appeals to many women is, in fact, an illusion. She pointed out that much male-on-female violence occurs in women’s bathrooms, perhaps because of this illusion.

“People get all worked up about [women having their own space], but then they realize it’s not as perfect as they thought,” said panelist Naomi Sobel.
“Gender is what is being policed in women’s and men’s restrooms, not sex—people react to your presentation, not your genitals,” Sobel added via e-mail.
An issue that emerged from discussion several times was the “dailyness,” or the frequency with which one is confronted with the fear of ridicule for walking into the wrong bathroom.

Red Vaughan Tremmel, another panelist, said that she knew someone who was making a cross-country road-trip and bought an RV to avoid using public bathrooms. “At first, my reaction was, ‘Oh wow, what a great idea,’ but then I thought, ‘Wow that’s sad that someone would have to go to such lengths to feel comfortable,’” she said.

Nate Claxton, another panelist, knew people who had contracted bladder infections because choosing a gender bathroom bothered them so much that they did not go to the bathroom all day.

Reaction around campus to the idea of gender-neutral bathroom was mixed. Roger Simon, a second-year in the College, agreed with the idea. “I believe that if all parts of the body were treated equally, and there was not so much emphasis on genitalia, than people could move beyond gender differences and grow mentally and socially,” he said.

Sheera Talpaz, a first-year in the College, added, “You might have a hard time getting most people to use those bathrooms, which would alienate the people you’re trying to help out.”


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To: MikalM
AT a big concert - do you know WHICH bathrooms get the LONG lines?

Now, there will be ONLY one long line ... how will cut-ins be handled for those of us with an xy chromosome pattern?

81 posted on 11/21/2003 4:53:56 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
WHAT AT GREAT LINE.........EXIT!
82 posted on 11/21/2003 5:16:23 PM PST by pointsal
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To: MikalM; All
Hi, I got a email from a out-of-state friend, who said his local "liberal" University has not done enough on crime. He ask me to vote NO, he needs help.

Has Fort Hays State University done enough to ensure the welfare and safety of students?. NO!

http://www.hdnews.net/

Thanks MikalM and all.
83 posted on 11/21/2003 5:19:34 PM PST by FreeRep
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To: MikalM
Here we go again.

If some lady wants to come into the bathroom while I'm taking a piss, that's ok w/ me. She's probably gonna feel more unease than I will.

84 posted on 11/21/2003 5:39:12 PM PST by upchuck (Encourage HAMAS to pre-test their explosive devices. A dud always spoils everything.)
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To: Cobra64
Don't go on a camping trip.

I don't want to go camping with strange men any more than I want to pee next to one, 'kay?

85 posted on 11/21/2003 6:26:21 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: roadcat
Wha? What makes you think my concern is the freaking NOISE?

It's the AUDIENCE. It should not be MALE.
86 posted on 11/21/2003 6:32:14 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: MikalM
These people are getting too dumb to live!
87 posted on 11/21/2003 6:44:12 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: leadpencil1
Go where you gotta go, do what you gotta do; a half century ago when I lived in rural Japan such unisex facilities were the norm and they and we survived it. Probably queers would find it disconcerting if there were no outhouse norms to violate, though! In Japan at that time it was clear that outhouses were for evacuation, not procreation

Clearly the most important right nowadays is to violate norms, unless the norm might happen to be respect for the law or for anyone else.
88 posted on 11/21/2003 6:46:27 PM PST by mathurine
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To: leadpencil1
Go where you gotta go, do what you gotta do; a half century ago when I lived in rural Japan such unisex facilities were the norm and they and we survived it. Probably queers would find it disconcerting if there were no outhouse norms to violate, though! In Japan at that time it was clear that outhouses were for evacuation, not procreation

Clearly the most important right nowadays is to violate norms, unless the norm might happen to be respect for the law or for anyone else.
89 posted on 11/21/2003 6:52:36 PM PST by mathurine
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To: MikalM
Hasn't the Supreme Court ruled on this yet - declaring that there can be no differences in bathrooms - not even on the doors, so as not to show any gender based preferences. ;<)
90 posted on 11/21/2003 6:54:02 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: MikalM
Overheard in a co-ed bathroom:

"Never tie your shoe laces when you're stooped down and on your period."

91 posted on 11/21/2003 7:24:08 PM PST by Old Professer (Spelling Police on duty)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Let's just name the doors.... "With Penis" and "Without Penis". SHOULD be no confusion there!

Nam Vet

92 posted on 11/21/2003 7:34:49 PM PST by Nam Vet (It's a small world. So you gotta use your elbows a lot.)
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To: Hobsonphile
Campus ping alert!



93 posted on 11/21/2003 8:45:41 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: Nam Vet
Let's just name the doors.... "With Penis" and "Without Penis". SHOULD be no confusion there!

Are you kidding? Most of the Democratic party would end up in the wrong places!

94 posted on 11/21/2003 9:04:42 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Black Agnes; rmlew; cardinal4; LiteKeeper; Lizard_King; Sir_Ed; TLBSHOW; BigRedQuark; yendu bwam; ..
Leftism on Campus ping!

If you would like to be added to the Leftism on Campus ping list, please
notify me via FReep-mail.

Warning: During the school year in particular, this can be a high volume ping list.

Regards...
95 posted on 11/22/2003 9:29:18 AM PST by Hobsonphile (Art should celebrate God's creation. Writers should love humanity in all its forms.)
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To: MikalM; scripter; *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform
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"WE RECRUIT"

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96 posted on 11/22/2003 2:52:46 PM PST by ppaul
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Bathroom 101 (online course)

ROTFL!

97 posted on 11/22/2003 2:55:26 PM PST by eleni121
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To: MikalM





98 posted on 11/22/2003 2:58:24 PM PST by autoresponder (CONSUMER FRAUD ALERT - DOUBLE BILLING ---> WARNING - AVOID using SBC/SNET web access / phone service)
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To: ladyjane
I worked in Lowell for 5 years, and wondered where the name Middlesex county originated. Is there a story behind it?
99 posted on 11/22/2003 8:24:45 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Cheney-Rumsfeld in '08)
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To: MikalM
“Going to the bathroom is a moment where definition is very important in choosing a door,”

Huh. Not when you got the almighty sh!ts, it ain't.

100 posted on 11/22/2003 8:28:16 PM PST by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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