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Is Iron Causing All the Flares?
Universe Today ^ | 11/18/03

Posted on 11/19/2003 9:15:52 AM PST by LibWhacker

Dr. Oliver Manuel, a professor of nuclear chemistry, believes that iron, not hydrogen, is the sun’s most abundant element. In a paper accepted for publication in the Journal of Fusion Energy, Manuel asserts that the “standard solar model” -- which assumes that the sun’s core is made of hydrogen -- has led to misunderstandings of how such solar flares occur, as well as inaccurate views on the nature of global climate change.

Recent solar flares erupting on the sun’s surface have unleashed powerful geomagnetic storms -- gigantic clouds of highly charged particles that pose a threat to electric utilities, high-frequency radio communications, satellite navigation systems and television broadcasts. Continued turbulence on the sun will remain a concern for the coming days, according to space forecasters.

Manuel claims that hydrogen fusion creates some of the sun’s heat, as hydrogen -- the lightest of all elements -- moves to the sun’s surface. But most of the heat comes from the core of an exploded supernova that continues to generate energy within the iron-rich interior of the sun, Manuel says.

“We think that the solar system came from a single star, and the sun formed on a collapsed supernova core,” Manuel explains.

“The inner planets are made mostly of matter produced in the inner part of that star,” Manuel says, “and the outer planets of material that formed out of the outer layers of that star.”

Manuel’s paper, “Superfluidity in the Solar Interior: Implications for Solar Eruptions and Climate,” suggests that the conventional view of how magnetic fields in the sun’s interior -- the cause of solar flares and storms -- are formed is flawed. “The prevailing opinion in the solar physics community is that solar dynamos generate the sun’s magnetic fields by plasma flows in the outer part of the sun. ... The model of a hydrogen-filled sun offers few other options,” Manuel says.

Manuel offers another explanation, based on his assertion that the solar system was born catastrophically out of a supernova -- a theory that goes against the widely-held belief among astrophysicists that the sun and planets were formed 4.5 billion years ago in a relatively ambiguous cloud of interstellar dust. In his latest paper, Manuel posits that the changing fields are caused either by the magnetic field of the rotating neutron star at the core of the sun itself or by a reaction that converts the iron surrounding the neutron star into a superconductor. This reaction is called Bose-Einstein condensation.

While Manuel’s theory is seen as highly controversial by many in the scientific community, other researchers have confirmed that distant solar systems orbit stars that are rich in iron and other metals. Last summer, astronomer Debra Fischer at the University of California, Berkeley, presented her findings of a study of more than 750 stars at the International Astronomical Union meeting in Sydney, Australia. Fischer and her team determined that 20 percent of metal-rich stars have planets orbiting them.

Manuel believes Fischer’s research helps to confirm his 40-year effort to change the way people think about the solar system’s origins. He thinks a supernova rocked our area of the Milky Way galaxy some five billion years ago, giving birth to all the heavenly bodies that populate the solar system.

Analyses of meteorites reveal that all primordial helium is accompanied by “strange xenon,” he says, adding that both helium and strange xenon came from the outer layer of the supernova that created the solar system. Helium and strange xenon are also seen together in Jupiter.

Back in 1975, Manuel and another UMR researcher, Dr. Dwarka Das Sabu, first proposed that the solar system formed from the debris of a spinning star that exploded as a supernova. They based their claim on studies of meteorites and moon samples which showed traces of strange xenon. Data from NASA’s Galileo probe of Jupiter’s helium-rich atmosphere in 1996 reveals traces of strange xenon gases -- solid evidence against the conventional model of the solar system’s creation, Manuel says.

Manuel first began to develop the iron-rich sun theory in 1972. That year, Manual and his colleagues reported in the British journal Nature that the xenon found in primitive meteorites was a mixture of strange and normal xenon (Nature 240, 99-101). The strange xenon is enriched in isotopes that are made when a supernova explodes, the researchers reported, and could not be produced within meteorites.

Three years later, Manuel and Sabu found that all of the primordial helium in meteorites is trapped in the same sites that trapped strange xenon. Based on these findings, they concluded that the solar system formed directly from the debris of a single supernova, and the sun formed on the supernova’s collapsed core. Giant planets like Jupiter grew from material in the outer part of the supernova, while Earth and the inner planets formed out of material form the supernova’s interior. This is why the outer planets consist mostly of hydrogen, helium and other light elements, and the inner planets are made of heavier elements like iron, sulfur and silicon, Manuel says.

Strange xenon came from the helium-rich outer layers of the supernova, while normal xenon came from its interior. There was no helium in the interior because nuclear fusion reactions there changed the helium into the heavier elements, Manuel says.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; climatechange; core; flares; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; iron; ironsun; neutron; oliverkmanuel; olivermanuel; solarflare; solarflare2003; star; sun
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To: Physicist
So he's saying that most of the energy of the sun comes from gravitational collapse? I don't think that will give you the right neutrino spectrum.

OTOH, 2/3 of the neutrinos the standard fusion model predicts are MISSING...

81 posted on 11/19/2003 2:35:07 PM PST by null and void (Lord Hildamort!™ - She Who Must Not Be Named)
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To: e_engineer
That's interesting. There is enough Fe54/Fe56 and Fe56/Fe57 to read relative abundances. A huge count wouldn't be needed, just enough to get readings. A few hundred over several days, not as if the sun is made of iron.
82 posted on 11/19/2003 2:41:08 PM PST by RightWhale (Close your tag lines)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Does the sun have a neutron star at the core or an iron core?

You'd think we'd have noticed the gravity of the situation.

83 posted on 11/19/2003 2:43:19 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: LibWhacker
One difference I see is that Rouse had an iron core, Manuel has a neutron star core.

My comments have been about how one is labeled crackpot and the other is not though there seems to be no reason for treating one different from the other based on the article. I'm really struggling to see why Manuel is thought of as not so good a scientist based on the above article.

Iron core, neutron core, or uranium core is not really my issue.
84 posted on 11/19/2003 2:45:32 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I thought I'd read somewhere that the temp and pressure necessary to get an iron fusion reaction going was something that could only be reached on a giant star.

Iron has the stablest nucleus (lightest nucleons) in the whole periodic table. When stellar fusion runs out of fuel, the star is all iron. If the star is big enough, gravitational collapse (now that the fusion fires are out) will trigger a final burst of fusion, a supernova. Supernovas are the source of all the elements heavier than iron. So, in a way, there's no question that the solar system is made of supernova remnants, since we have lead, gold, uranium, etc. The question is whether the sun is formed directly upon the neutron star core left after a supernova. It's hard to imagine that a model along these lines agrees with observation as well as does the "garden-variety yellow dwarf" theory and thus cannot be eliminated or accepted based upon what we know already.

85 posted on 11/19/2003 2:58:13 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: null and void
OTOH, 2/3 of the neutrinos the standard fusion model predicts are MISSING...

Not anymore. They were found by the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory a few years ago.

It has been known for forty years that there are different "flavors" of neutrino. It has been known since the late '80's that there are three such flavors. SNO discovered that the reason early solar neutrino experiments only saw 1/3 of the neutrinos produced in the sun is that 2/3 of the solar neutrinos--which were all electron-type neutrinos when produced--were converted into muon- and tau-type neutrinos along the way. Early neutrino experiments were only sensitive to electron-type neutrinos, but SNO is sensitive to all three. SNO sees all of the neutrinos predicted by the standard solar model.

86 posted on 11/19/2003 3:04:48 PM PST by Physicist
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To: LibWhacker
Has no one considered the host in the sun?
87 posted on 11/19/2003 3:13:10 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Physicist
Okay, thanks. I thought they were only produced during fusion reactions.
88 posted on 11/19/2003 4:09:28 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Physicist
Thank you!!!

I've been worried - really.
89 posted on 11/19/2003 4:41:13 PM PST by null and void (A mechanical engineer build weapon systems, a civil engineer builds target...)
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To: Physicist
Bertie Bott's every flavor neutrinos...
90 posted on 11/19/2003 4:54:26 PM PST by null and void (A mechanical engineer build weapon systems, a civil engineer builds target...)
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To: LibWhacker
Yep, I was wondering the same thing. Plus, IIRC, and there is a distinct possibility I don't remember correctly, it's been so long ago, a supernova always produces a black hole, never a neutron star. Do I have that right?

Nope. Neutron Stars can be created in a supernova. The Crab Nebula is a prime example. BTW, as far as I know, it is the only pulsar that can be detected with an ordinary TV set using just rabbit ears.

91 posted on 11/19/2003 6:40:32 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Physicist
Ya beat me to it. :-)
92 posted on 11/19/2003 6:42:29 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: wirestripper
Take an iron hand tool and drop it between the positive and negative leads on a car battery. Then run away quickly, avoiding the gaseous and molten iron.

(Note: do not actually perform!)
93 posted on 11/19/2003 6:42:59 PM PST by July 4th
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To: RadioAstronomer
What channel?
94 posted on 11/19/2003 6:45:47 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
What channel?

One with no local signals (and not hooked to cable) :-) About every 5 mins or so, you will notice an increase of static. This is from the neutron star in the Crab. :-)

95 posted on 11/19/2003 7:05:51 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
I don't like the idea of these alien influences on my TV set. Not one bit.
96 posted on 11/19/2003 7:08:44 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: LibWhacker
It's because of the SUVs! Oh, and it's George Bush's fault...

Mark
97 posted on 11/19/2003 7:12:11 PM PST by MarkL (Chiefs 9-1... #$&!@(*#$$%^&@@#!!!!!!)
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To: PatrickHenry
LOL!
98 posted on 11/19/2003 7:12:29 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: PatrickHenry
LOL!
99 posted on 11/19/2003 7:12:38 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
So I don't have to change my setup at all.
100 posted on 11/19/2003 7:12:45 PM PST by js1138
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