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Is Iron Causing All the Flares?
Universe Today ^ | 11/18/03

Posted on 11/19/2003 9:15:52 AM PST by LibWhacker

Dr. Oliver Manuel, a professor of nuclear chemistry, believes that iron, not hydrogen, is the sun’s most abundant element. In a paper accepted for publication in the Journal of Fusion Energy, Manuel asserts that the “standard solar model” -- which assumes that the sun’s core is made of hydrogen -- has led to misunderstandings of how such solar flares occur, as well as inaccurate views on the nature of global climate change.

Recent solar flares erupting on the sun’s surface have unleashed powerful geomagnetic storms -- gigantic clouds of highly charged particles that pose a threat to electric utilities, high-frequency radio communications, satellite navigation systems and television broadcasts. Continued turbulence on the sun will remain a concern for the coming days, according to space forecasters.

Manuel claims that hydrogen fusion creates some of the sun’s heat, as hydrogen -- the lightest of all elements -- moves to the sun’s surface. But most of the heat comes from the core of an exploded supernova that continues to generate energy within the iron-rich interior of the sun, Manuel says.

“We think that the solar system came from a single star, and the sun formed on a collapsed supernova core,” Manuel explains.

“The inner planets are made mostly of matter produced in the inner part of that star,” Manuel says, “and the outer planets of material that formed out of the outer layers of that star.”

Manuel’s paper, “Superfluidity in the Solar Interior: Implications for Solar Eruptions and Climate,” suggests that the conventional view of how magnetic fields in the sun’s interior -- the cause of solar flares and storms -- are formed is flawed. “The prevailing opinion in the solar physics community is that solar dynamos generate the sun’s magnetic fields by plasma flows in the outer part of the sun. ... The model of a hydrogen-filled sun offers few other options,” Manuel says.

Manuel offers another explanation, based on his assertion that the solar system was born catastrophically out of a supernova -- a theory that goes against the widely-held belief among astrophysicists that the sun and planets were formed 4.5 billion years ago in a relatively ambiguous cloud of interstellar dust. In his latest paper, Manuel posits that the changing fields are caused either by the magnetic field of the rotating neutron star at the core of the sun itself or by a reaction that converts the iron surrounding the neutron star into a superconductor. This reaction is called Bose-Einstein condensation.

While Manuel’s theory is seen as highly controversial by many in the scientific community, other researchers have confirmed that distant solar systems orbit stars that are rich in iron and other metals. Last summer, astronomer Debra Fischer at the University of California, Berkeley, presented her findings of a study of more than 750 stars at the International Astronomical Union meeting in Sydney, Australia. Fischer and her team determined that 20 percent of metal-rich stars have planets orbiting them.

Manuel believes Fischer’s research helps to confirm his 40-year effort to change the way people think about the solar system’s origins. He thinks a supernova rocked our area of the Milky Way galaxy some five billion years ago, giving birth to all the heavenly bodies that populate the solar system.

Analyses of meteorites reveal that all primordial helium is accompanied by “strange xenon,” he says, adding that both helium and strange xenon came from the outer layer of the supernova that created the solar system. Helium and strange xenon are also seen together in Jupiter.

Back in 1975, Manuel and another UMR researcher, Dr. Dwarka Das Sabu, first proposed that the solar system formed from the debris of a spinning star that exploded as a supernova. They based their claim on studies of meteorites and moon samples which showed traces of strange xenon. Data from NASA’s Galileo probe of Jupiter’s helium-rich atmosphere in 1996 reveals traces of strange xenon gases -- solid evidence against the conventional model of the solar system’s creation, Manuel says.

Manuel first began to develop the iron-rich sun theory in 1972. That year, Manual and his colleagues reported in the British journal Nature that the xenon found in primitive meteorites was a mixture of strange and normal xenon (Nature 240, 99-101). The strange xenon is enriched in isotopes that are made when a supernova explodes, the researchers reported, and could not be produced within meteorites.

Three years later, Manuel and Sabu found that all of the primordial helium in meteorites is trapped in the same sites that trapped strange xenon. Based on these findings, they concluded that the solar system formed directly from the debris of a single supernova, and the sun formed on the supernova’s collapsed core. Giant planets like Jupiter grew from material in the outer part of the supernova, while Earth and the inner planets formed out of material form the supernova’s interior. This is why the outer planets consist mostly of hydrogen, helium and other light elements, and the inner planets are made of heavier elements like iron, sulfur and silicon, Manuel says.

Strange xenon came from the helium-rich outer layers of the supernova, while normal xenon came from its interior. There was no helium in the interior because nuclear fusion reactions there changed the helium into the heavier elements, Manuel says.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; climatechange; core; flares; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; iron; ironsun; neutron; oliverkmanuel; olivermanuel; solarflare; solarflare2003; star; sun
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To: Cold Heat
I have used plasma cutters, welders and worked for a steel foundry

But these are low-temperature activities. The Sun is somewhat warmer than most people normally experience.

141 posted on 03/13/2005 8:17:15 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Remember the Crab Nebula is only about 6500 light years away.

close for a weekend trip.

142 posted on 03/13/2005 8:21:14 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Ispy4u; RadioAstronomer; ThinkPlease; Doctor Stochastic; Physicist
IIRC the total mass of a neutron star is far greater than the mass of the sun.

Last I knew, the minimum mass to even FORM a neutron star is 1.4 solar masses. Since the sun is by definition one solar mass, it would be pretty hard to hide a neutron star inside it without somebody noticing there's >2.4 solar masses where we thought there was only one.

This article makes no sense.

143 posted on 03/13/2005 8:21:57 PM PST by longshadow
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To: RightWhale

There was a Fusion Energy Foundation that was a front for the LaRouchies. Don't know about this publication.


144 posted on 03/13/2005 8:22:25 PM PST by Fred Hayek
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To: razorback-bert

Preview and then post!

Close enought for a week end trip.


145 posted on 03/13/2005 8:22:50 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Cold Heat
If the flare was initiated by a iron cored sun, then their would be some evidence of iron someplace, somewhwere.

Correct. And you are also correct that we don't see this. Iron is the heaviest nucleus that can be made by normal fusion reactions; that's why it's interesting. Novae and supernovae are necessary to create heaver elements.

146 posted on 03/13/2005 8:23:49 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Arkinsaw

Some crackpot.


147 posted on 03/13/2005 8:26:16 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Cold Heat

You also can not get a fusion reaction from iron. Iron is the end of the line, formation of elements beyond iron (increasing atomic number) is endothermic. The hierarchy is sort of hydrogen, helium, carbon, silicon, then finally iron.


148 posted on 03/13/2005 8:27:05 PM PST by Fred Hayek
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Does the sun have a neutron star at the core....

If it does, what stops the surrounding non-fusing material (Iron?) from collapsing into the neutron core?

The more I read, the more wacky this article seems.

149 posted on 03/13/2005 8:31:55 PM PST by longshadow
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To: RightWhale

Thus you have a bunch of charged particles going around. Electrons, protons, deuterons, a few tritons, alphas (helium nucleii), and heavier elements with maybe much of their electrons stripped off due to the high temperature. So when you get such charged particle currents (convection anyone?) you get magnetic fields.


150 posted on 03/13/2005 8:36:02 PM PST by Fred Hayek
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To: LibWhacker

Somebody should take a magnet to the sun and see if it sticks.


151 posted on 03/13/2005 8:43:15 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: LibWhacker; RadioAstronomer
a supernova always produces a black hole, never a neutron star. Do I have that right?

It depends entirely on the mass of the residual material after the star goes supernova. Last I new, you get a neutron star when the residual mass is between 1.4 and about 4.1 solar masses. Above 4.1 solar masses, the gravitational collapse is unstoppable, and a black hole results.

152 posted on 03/13/2005 8:46:17 PM PST by longshadow
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To: UCANSEE2
Just makes me feel better to know I am not the only nut.

I don't think this necessarily proves that you are not the only nut.

153 posted on 03/13/2005 8:48:41 PM PST by Do Be (The heart is smarter than the head.)
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To: July 4th
It is not gas, it is plasma and molten metallic slag.

Some things will break down to their component parts and gases do derive from combustion of some metals. But it is not Fe Gas.

Seems funny replying to a comment that I can barely recall making in 2003.

154 posted on 03/13/2005 8:56:04 PM PST by Cold Heat (This space is being paid not to do anything.)
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To: js1138; RadioAstronomer
What channel?

Channel, hell! I want to know what breed of rabbit you need for the antenna!

155 posted on 03/13/2005 9:00:15 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Fred Hayek
LOL! I can't remember this thread. Heck, I even had a different screen name then.

It must be all this recent dark matter business that is bringing this gravitational theory stuff back up.

I do know one thing, and that is that we seem to know enough about gravity to be dangerous, and that is about all.

156 posted on 03/13/2005 9:10:37 PM PST by Cold Heat (This space is being paid not to do anything.)
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To: Do Be

Center of the galaxy is made of chocolate, a lot of the star clusters are marshmellow, I'm just one in a pile of nuts.


157 posted on 03/13/2005 9:13:33 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

Ummmhhh.. Comets are ice cream.


158 posted on 03/13/2005 9:14:10 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

Where is the cherry?:-)


159 posted on 03/13/2005 9:14:51 PM PST by Cold Heat (This space is being paid not to do anything.)
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To: Cold Heat
and that is that we seem to know enough about gravity to be dangerous, and that is about all.

That is why they called it gravity.

160 posted on 03/13/2005 9:15:26 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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