Is Iron Causing All the Flares?

Universe Today ^ | 11/18/03

[LibWhacker]

Dr. Oliver Manuel, a professor of nuclear chemistry, believes that iron, not hydrogen, is the sun’s most abundant element. In a paper accepted for publication in the Journal of Fusion Energy, Manuel asserts that the “standard solar model” -- which assumes that the sun’s core is made of hydrogen -- has led to misunderstandings of how such solar flares occur, as well as inaccurate views on the nature of global climate change.

Recent solar flares erupting on the sun’s surface have unleashed powerful geomagnetic storms -- gigantic clouds of highly charged particles that pose a threat to electric utilities, high-frequency radio communications, satellite navigation systems and television broadcasts. Continued turbulence on the sun will remain a concern for the coming days, according to space forecasters.

Manuel claims that hydrogen fusion creates some of the sun’s heat, as hydrogen -- the lightest of all elements -- moves to the sun’s surface. But most of the heat comes from the core of an exploded supernova that continues to generate energy within the iron-rich interior of the sun, Manuel says.

“We think that the solar system came from a single star, and the sun formed on a collapsed supernova core,” Manuel explains.

“The inner planets are made mostly of matter produced in the inner part of that star,” Manuel says, “and the outer planets of material that formed out of the outer layers of that star.”

Manuel’s paper, “Superfluidity in the Solar Interior: Implications for Solar Eruptions and Climate,” suggests that the conventional view of how magnetic fields in the sun’s interior -- the cause of solar flares and storms -- are formed is flawed. “The prevailing opinion in the solar physics community is that solar dynamos generate the sun’s magnetic fields by plasma flows in the outer part of the sun. ... The model of a hydrogen-filled sun offers few other options,” Manuel says.

Manuel offers another explanation, based on his assertion that the solar system was born catastrophically out of a supernova -- a theory that goes against the widely-held belief among astrophysicists that the sun and planets were formed 4.5 billion years ago in a relatively ambiguous cloud of interstellar dust. In his latest paper, Manuel posits that the changing fields are caused either by the magnetic field of the rotating neutron star at the core of the sun itself or by a reaction that converts the iron surrounding the neutron star into a superconductor. This reaction is called Bose-Einstein condensation.

While Manuel’s theory is seen as highly controversial by many in the scientific community, other researchers have confirmed that distant solar systems orbit stars that are rich in iron and other metals. Last summer, astronomer Debra Fischer at the University of California, Berkeley, presented her findings of a study of more than 750 stars at the International Astronomical Union meeting in Sydney, Australia. Fischer and her team determined that 20 percent of metal-rich stars have planets orbiting them.

Manuel believes Fischer’s research helps to confirm his 40-year effort to change the way people think about the solar system’s origins. He thinks a supernova rocked our area of the Milky Way galaxy some five billion years ago, giving birth to all the heavenly bodies that populate the solar system.

Analyses of meteorites reveal that all primordial helium is accompanied by “strange xenon,” he says, adding that both helium and strange xenon came from the outer layer of the supernova that created the solar system. Helium and strange xenon are also seen together in Jupiter.

Back in 1975, Manuel and another UMR researcher, Dr. Dwarka Das Sabu, first proposed that the solar system formed from the debris of a spinning star that exploded as a supernova. They based their claim on studies of meteorites and moon samples which showed traces of strange xenon. Data from NASA’s Galileo probe of Jupiter’s helium-rich atmosphere in 1996 reveals traces of strange xenon gases -- solid evidence against the conventional model of the solar system’s creation, Manuel says.

Manuel first began to develop the iron-rich sun theory in 1972. That year, Manual and his colleagues reported in the British journal Nature that the xenon found in primitive meteorites was a mixture of strange and normal xenon (Nature 240, 99-101). The strange xenon is enriched in isotopes that are made when a supernova explodes, the researchers reported, and could not be produced within meteorites.

Three years later, Manuel and Sabu found that all of the primordial helium in meteorites is trapped in the same sites that trapped strange xenon. Based on these findings, they concluded that the solar system formed directly from the debris of a single supernova, and the sun formed on the supernova’s collapsed core. Giant planets like Jupiter grew from material in the outer part of the supernova, while Earth and the inner planets formed out of material form the supernova’s interior. This is why the outer planets consist mostly of hydrogen, helium and other light elements, and the inner planets are made of heavier elements like iron, sulfur and silicon, Manuel says.

Strange xenon came from the helium-rich outer layers of the supernova, while normal xenon came from its interior. There was no helium in the interior because nuclear fusion reactions there changed the helium into the heavier elements, Manuel says.

[Cold Heat]

What is the maximum temperature of your arc furnace, in Centigrade?

Golly, I can't remeber the details.

It had 16inch electrodes.

I suppose the temp would be in line with the specs of a general electric arc.

Oxygen was also introduced to the molten metal to burn off impurities and carbon. It got damn hot.

If this scientist had said that the suns core was Nickle, or Chromium, or something stable like those metals, I would not be so pigheaded.

Iron reacts and combines with a number of other elements and does not need much encouragement to do so. I would think that a sun with a iron core would/could be a bomb waiting to go off. IMHO.

[Cold Heat]

Plasmas only strip (varying numbers of) electrons from a nucleus.

Ok, understood.

I was confusing the resulting slag of a plasma cutter with plasma behavior. The cutter injects air/or other gasses into the equation.

The result is oxidized slag.

[Cold Heat]

Centigrade?

I think they measured in Kelvin. The stuff I find on the internet says 10-20 thousand K.

That seems to check with my recollections.

[Calvin Locke]

I looked up an old post. Art Bell on 9/20 Saturday, read a NASA release about a highly magnetic star disrupting comms
that week. (Before the current deluge of sunspots).

Anyway, I couldn't remember if they (NASA/Bell) said 40 or 40K lightyears away. I do remember the guest was a physicist
later in the show, and basically said "Yeah, right. Just because there is no known/understood cause for the
disruptions..."

In any case, I have to look up the Crab Pulsar.

[PatrickHenry]

P L A C E M A R K E R

[Paul Ross]

Bump. T

AK. Thanks for the publications list! O. Manuel sure has been slogging through. The meteorite evidence is suggestive. With the alternative 'neutron-star remnant core' solar composition hypothesis, I imagine there is a lot of heated discussion going on at the blackboards. Has anybody attempted to find additional evidence of the 'superfluid' or 'superconductive' iron through re-evaluation of solar spectra? Or is the coronsphere and solar wind purely a phenomena of the outer shell gases...and would they completely mask all evidence of inner composition? What about the rotational dynamics? I.e., the notion of the neutron core spinning to account for the planetary orbital dynamics. Does the current rate of solar rotation track with the rest of the planetary system? Or is there a plausible discontinuity between the neutron core rotation rate and the external layers of gas? The explanation of the theory for planetary composition sure makes intuitive sense.

[Light Speed]

For those reading along this thread;

Sun is Electric...it is an Anode

Electric Galaxies
Snippets:

The kind of electric discharge I conceive to be responsible for solar radiation must necessarily be driven by an electric potential in interstellar space--a condition to be expected in a galaxy electrified by the separation of charges on a truly magnificent scale.
Just such a situation is postulated by Bruce, who explains the spiral arms of our galaxy as electrical discharges initiated by the breakdown of a radial electric field extending through the entirety of galactic space. And just such a situation could provide the enormously high space potential (negative) that the discharge hypothesis requires.

As I see it, then, the sun, already negatively charged to an extremely high electric potential, behaves as an anode and collects more negative charge because its interstellar environment has a potential that is even higher, in the negative sense. It is a matter of relative potentials.

By analogy with electrical discharges studied in the laboratory, we can predict certain conditions that should prevail in interplanetary space if the sun is indeed fueled electrically. For now, I would mention only this: The interplanetary medium near the earth seems to be characterized by approximately equal numbers of protons and electrons, which fact identifies it as a true plasma. Farther out--say, near the orbit of Jupiter--the protons should be traveling away from the sun with considerably increased velocities, and the electrons should be present in lesser numbers than the protons.

Electric Sun

The Sun, our Variable Star, Nov/2003

[SunkenCiv]

Marvin Herndon mentioned on this newer thread linked below:

Scientific maverick's theory on Earth's core up for a test
SF Chronicle | Monday, November 29, 2004 | Keay Davidson
Posted on 12/05/2004 11:17:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1294934/posts

[SunkenCiv]

The iron sun model hasn't gained currency. Get it? Currency?!? I kill me. This is yet another topic from the "iron" keyword, and should be considered fitting into the "Catastrophism and Astronomy" category of GGG.

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Dr. Oliver Manuel, a professor of nuclear chemistry, believes that iron, not hydrogen, is the sun’s most abundant element. In a paper accepted for publication in the Journal of Fusion Energy, Manuel asserts that the “standard solar model” -- which assumes that the sun’s core is made of hydrogen -- has led to misunderstandings of how such solar flares occur, as well as inaccurate views on the nature of global climate change.

Isn't this the guy who said the sun's core was frozen???

[UCANSEE2]

I've been discussing it for weeks, along with dark matter, speed of light, and get told my theories are wrong, what do I have to back them up.

Then, here comes another published article along the same lines as my theory. Just makes me feel better to know I am not the only nut.

[UCANSEE2]

then where'd all its hydrogen come from?

Maybe the huge clouds of hydrogen we see all over the universe.

[Paul_Denton]

I think they measured in Kelvin. The stuff I find on the internet says 10-20 thousand K. That seems to check with my recollections.

Holy sh!t. What is used to keep the furance container from melting? even Tungstun would melt in those condtions.

[UCANSEE2]

I thought I'd read somewhere that the temp and pressure necessary to get an iron fusion reaction going was something that could only be reached on a giant star.

And every day the laws of the universe are remade. We have a magnetar that surprised the crap out of us, then someone along a line to the galatic center, we received a THUMP-THUMP-THUMP-THUMP-THUMP type message that we still have no idea what could have caused it.

In truth, there is very little we really 'know' about the solar system, the galaxy, the universe.

[UCANSEE2]

What you said.

[UCANSEE2]

To answer the TITLE OF THIS POST, no. Iron is not 'causing' all the flares.

[Doctor Stochastic]

You're correct. We know (and have known for some years) the masses of the Sun and other planets.

[Doctor Stochastic]

It does.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

"And every day the laws of the universe are remade"

Nah, Just our perceptions are remade.

[msdrby]

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