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Support no certainty for gay teachers
The Boston Globe ^ | November 9, 2003 | Laura Pappano

Posted on 11/09/2003 3:16:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:11:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: longtermmemmory; All
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41 posted on 11/09/2003 8:12:49 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: EdReform
The only way to deal with this is for like-minded,parents to close down public schools that try to indoctrinate children with this lifestyle. Just remove the kids, start up private schools, and don't even bother discussing the matter with the educrats or homosexual groups. Parents can inform them that they are completely out of the picture as far as their children are concerned, but that's the end of the dialogue.

Really, it's the only way.
42 posted on 11/09/2003 8:15:47 AM PST by ladylib
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I am sure mentioning that he is gay had little to do with the fact that that is a 'protectd status' in MA. An interviewer cant even ask about religion, ancestory, maritial status, or sexual orientation under title VII to prevent discrimination. Someone like this comes along and uses that as a weapon..
43 posted on 11/09/2003 8:20:24 AM PST by N3WBI3
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To: longtermmemmory
Thank you, bump.
44 posted on 11/09/2003 8:22:04 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Amelia
but the only case of a male teacher being involved with male students that I'm personally aware of involved an apparently heterosexual teacher who had a wife and children at home.

In the High School where I taught, the only gay teacher stayed in the closet. It was years later when the adult boys came out against him that we learned what went on late at night in the performing arts center with the head of the drama department.

If he were openly gay, the school would likely have put a watchdog on him during these after school hours. As a male teacher, I was taught to never be alone with a female student without the door being locked open. BTW, the city now has a policy that extends to all groups who work with the young. Attendance at child molestation classes is mandatory, and they learn what to look out for and how to conduct themselves. Never any adult child situations without a second adult or child present too.

45 posted on 11/09/2003 8:26:07 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Never any adult child situations without a second adult or child present too.

That's a good policy. We have a similar policy when working with kids at church, which accomplishes at least two tasks. One, it helps to prevent any inappropriate action and two, it helps to prevent false accusations. This may sound strange to some folks, but I won't be in a house alone with another woman that's not my wife or not related to me, for some of the same two reasons above.

46 posted on 11/09/2003 8:32:12 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Never any adult child situations without a second adult or child present too.

I think that's a good policy, for the protection of both parties.

47 posted on 11/09/2003 8:32:42 AM PST by Amelia
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"I made the conscious decision when I was hired: I was not going back into the closet."

Decisions are fine, so long as there is an awareness of certain consequences.
I made a conscious decison not to allow my children to be taught or watched over by militant gays.

I was probably taught by at least one gay while getting my education. The real number is probably substantially more than that.
His/her sexual orientation was of absolutely no consequence to their level of competence and effectiveness.

This pervert still doesn't get it. So long as I have a choice, and I expect I will continue to have choices for the remainder of my life, I will not accept a blatantly confrontational heterosexual to teach my children or grandchildren.

This clown still doesn't get it.

48 posted on 11/09/2003 8:32:53 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
A public school ping. Guard your children.
49 posted on 11/09/2003 8:34:22 AM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
each teacher said he wanted to give kids a positive image of a gay person.

Well, that's not what you're being hired to do.
So I suggest a change of career. I understand hairdressing and interior decoration considers gayness a positive qualification.

The education of children does not.
It's not rocket science.

50 posted on 11/09/2003 8:38:29 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Teacher John Andrews put it on the table at his Brookline High School job interview three years ago: He's gay.

"I wanted to make sure I came in without any surprises," said Andrews, who teaches 10th- and 12th-grade English. Ditto for Lexington High School guidance director Bob Quist, hired in 2000: "I made the conscious decision when I was hired: I was not going back into the closet."

No, he was laying a foundation:
"If I don't get hired, it's discriminatory.
If I get disciplined, it's discriminatory.
If I get fired, it's discriminatory.
It's all about me, Me, ME, and my gayness!"

My kids are NEVER setting foot in a public school.

51 posted on 11/09/2003 8:39:13 AM PST by Malacoda
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To: Malacoda
I wonder if it would be possible to audio stream every classroom? or even video stream every classroom. Schools are not a zone of anticipated privacy so the privacy issue should not exist ON school grounds.

Children have no expectation of privacy with school. Lockers are subject to searching, back packs to impection, even 1st amendment does not exist below the age of majority when it comes to education. They want hate crime enforcement, lets make it reaaaaaly effective.
52 posted on 11/09/2003 8:51:55 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
"homosexuals seek to legitimize their sexual behavior by associating themselves with moral institutions."


Actually, it goes beyond association. The homosexual community's well planned and funded campaign involves the inflitration of these institutions. They have now infested most denominations of the Church, in order to undermine and destroy it's moral authority:

An excerpt from: The Overhauling of Straight America:

"While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers.

First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency.

Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science and Public Opinion (the shield and word of that accursed “secular humanism”).

Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here..."


The homosexual community scored it's biggest victory when they infiltrated the APA and, by using political force, got homosexuality removed from the DSM:

An excerpt from "The A.P.A. Normalization of Homosexuality, and the Research Study of Irving Bieber":

Dr. Bieber was one of the key participants in the historical debate which culminated in the 1973 decision to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric manual.

His paper describes psychiatry's attempt to adopt a new "adaptational" perspective of normality. During this time, the profession was beginning to sever itself from established clinical theory--particularly psychoanalytic theories of unconscious motivation--claiming that if we do not readily see "distress, disability and disadvantage" in a particular psychological condition, then the condition is not disordered.

On first consideration, such a theory sounds plausible. However we see its startling consequences when we apply it to a condition such as pedophilia. Is the happy and otherwise well-functioning pedophile "normal"? As Dr. Bieber argues in this article, psychopathology can be ego-syntonic and not cause distress; and social effectiveness-that is, the ability to maintain positive social relations and perform work effectively--"may coexist with psychopathology, in some cases even of a psychotic order."

... Indeed, as some prominent cultural observers have noted, the political drive toward ever-greater equality has turned Americans against any conclusion which entails values and consequences ­ resulting in our culture's trend toward rejection of all evaluative conclusions as unkind and "undemocratic." Legal scholar Robert Bork sees this as a natural consequence of democracy untethered from its Judeo-Christian roots of self-restraint and responsibility, after which it began to be dominated by the philosophy of radical egalitarianism.

Reading the account by the eminent Irving Bieber, the reader is reminded of the historic role played by both Dr. Bieber, and NARTH President Charles Socarides. Both influential and courageous men stood, we believe, for truth in a profession that has increasingly set itself adrift from its theoretical and philosophical roots.

Dr. Bieber describes the deletion of homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's diagnostic and statistical manual as "the climax of a sociopolitical struggle involving what were deemed to be the rights of homosexuals."

"It is my aim here," he wrote, "to separate out the psychiatric and conceptual issues from the sociopolitical issues; to document my own theoretical and clinical position; and to describe the events that I participated in and observed--all of which I trust will bring into focus the elements that went into the American Psychiatric Association's decision..."

A task force was set up to study homosexuality, but the members chosen included not a single psychiatrist who held the view that homosexuality was not a normal adaptation. There followed riots at scientific meetings by gay activists who increased the pressure on the Psychiatric Association..."


And now, the infestation in the public schools has been growing at an alarming rate.


Other References:

The Overhauling of Straight America

The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game

53 posted on 11/09/2003 8:55:14 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The other day I met a woman I know in the supermarket. She told me that two of the coaches in our local high school are gay. She said that the girls who want to play that sport have be sympathic to this lifestyle to be accepted.

My daughter and this woman's daughter are no longer in the public schools. However, my daughter told me that she had heard rumours about this situation.


I live in a very conservative area. Most parents are too busy to realize how far things have gone. The clock is ticking, and we're close to losing the battle for basic morality in this country.


54 posted on 11/09/2003 9:02:02 AM PST by Essie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Until the liberal radical racist heterophobic activists realize it isn't being gay that bothers people, it is their in-your-face-if-you-dont-accept-my-sexual-behavior-as-normal
attitude that really is the issue.

1. Why in the world would a gay teacher feel the need to explain, share, or enlighten students about his sexual behavior which hopefully only occurs in the privacy of his home?

2. What is he needing and wanting from his students, administration and parents?

3. Is he wanting to use his teaching position to encourage students to try homosexuality?

4. What is this guy teaching? What is his agenda as he teaches?

Sex, no matter if it is between two women,men,a woman and man, two women and one man or a he-she-it, has no place in the class room. Pushing any agenda other than abstinence is not appropriate.
55 posted on 11/09/2003 9:05:13 AM PST by ODDITHER
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To: longtermmemmory
I love so-called informational pervert promotional material.
I would have loved the opportunity to sit down with my son or daughter to respond to very questionlisted:

The Heterosexual Questionaire

1. what do you think caused your Heterosexuality?
Nature. Exactly the same thing that causes cute noses and big ugly ones.

2. when and how did you decide that you were heterosexual?
At adolescence, pretty much at the same time as everyone else, the way nature intended.

3. is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may/not grow out of?
Of course anything is "possible". Even that I might start walking on all fours and barking like a dog. These aberrations are called pathologies.

4. is it possible your heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of others of the same sex?
Any thing is possible. What is almost certainly the case, however, is that it is the way that nature intended mammals to behave in order to propagate the species.

5. if you've never slept with a person of the same sex, it is possible that all you need is a good gay/lesbian lover?
Anything is possible. However, no normal human being lives their life by permutations and combinations of sexual "feelings". That's known as having a life.
Prior to puberty most of us sleep with members of the same sex. The sane ones, however, never "sleep" with members of the same sex, before or after puberty.

6. to whom did you disclose your heterosexual tendencies? how did they react?
To no one, other than eventually to members of the opposite sex whom we found attractive. That particular rite of passage is usually non-verbal among normal people.
Most reacted normally. Either with approval or rejection, the way nature intended.

7. why do heterosexuals feel compelled to seduce others into that lifestyle?
They don't.
The beauty of not being a deviant pervert is that nature arranges sexual development in both necessary sexes to proceed in mysterious ways, not subject to any necessary indoctrination.

8. why do you insist on flaunting your heterosexuality? why can't you just be who you are and keep quiet about it?
That is precisely what most normal people do.
Only freaks of nature have a need to flaunt anything.

9. a disproportionate majority of child molesters are heterosexual. do you consider it safe to expose your child to a heterosexual teacher?
I suppose 98% might be called "disproportionaty" normal.
Exposing my children to the world, even a totally normal one, involves dangers, many of which are unexpected. It is called preparing them for adulthood.
Deviancy and perversion is not one of the unavoidable dangers.

10. with all the societal support marriage receives, divorce rates are spiraling. Why are there so few stable heterosexual relationships?
This ones is just too easy:
Because deviancy, perversion and abandonment of mature responsibilities is an attractive nuisance, normally, and a death spiral if "protected".

11. why do heterosexual's place so much emphasis on sex? considering the menace of over population, how could the human race survive if everyone were a heterosexual?
They don't. Normal sex is a natural as breathing. Nature is her wisdom, again.
How could the world survive in an all-pervert society? might be a more rational question.

There, dear son or daughter, are the obvious answers.
Let me know if more pathological material is distributed in your school.

56 posted on 11/09/2003 9:22:12 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: scripter; Amelia
Yes, I like the policy too. We used it in the Boy Scouts very successfully. In fact the Boy Scouts had the policy long before circumstances led to the City adopting the same policy. In every group that worked with kids, at least one of us had to have this training from the city. Every leader in the Boy Scouts took the training each year.
57 posted on 11/09/2003 9:23:46 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That's odd, my sexual preferences weren't a part of MY curriculum, job description, or daily activities when I was teaching. I wonder why. Hmmm.
58 posted on 11/09/2003 9:26:16 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"In part, paying attention to gay students is a matter of physical safety, advocates say. The Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Survey reveals gay, lesbian, and bisexual students threatened, injured, and attempting suicide at rates many times that of other students."


GAY TEENS' RICH MILK SHAKEDOWN

"Teenage transgender prostitutes from Harvey Milk HS boasted of earning up to $600 a night turning tricks and stealing from johns - then would blow it all on extravagant shopping sprees for the designer outfits and shoes they wore to school, The Post has learned.

The teenage hookers often skipped class, slept through some lessons and intimidated students who didn't dress to their standards, said "Nick" Lopez, 16, who shared several classes with the transgenders.

"They were bullies, picking on new trannies in school," Lopez said..."


59 posted on 11/09/2003 9:54:07 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: EdReform; *Homosexual Agenda
barf alert!


60 posted on 11/09/2003 9:58:22 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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