Anglican Split Feared as Gay Bishop Is Consecrated (Can you say apostacy?)

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[Happy2BMe]

Anglican Split Feared as Gay Bishop Is Consecrated
(2003-11-02)

By Greg Frost

DURHAM, N.H. (Reuters) - The Rev. Canon V. Gene Robinson was consecrated on Sunday as the first openly gay bishop of the U.S. Episcopal Church, a move that threatens to tear apart the worldwide Anglican community.

The Most Rev. Frank Griswold, presiding bishop of the U.S. Episcopal Church, consecrated Robinson amid cheers and applause from the several thousand people who gathered under tight security for the ceremony in a college sports arena.

Robinson, his voice trembling, told the congregation he felt deeply honored but also urged compassion toward church members angered and upset by his consecration.

"Our God will be served if we are hospitable and loving and caring toward them," said the new bishop, wearing a robe of gold, red and green. "If they must leave, they will always be welcomed back into our fellowship."

Earlier, in a sanctioned but tension-filled protest, opponents formally voiced their objection to installing an openly gay man as bishop.

Griswold interrupted one cleric as he launched into a graphic description of homosexual acts. Another woman said that consecrating Robinson would tear at the fabric of the worldwide church.

"To press forward with this consecration will be to turn our back on Almighty God," she said. "The vast majority of Anglicans worldwide have told us not to take this step."

The opponents walked out after making their statements. Moments later, Griswold asked those remaining if Robinson, a 56-year-old divorced father, should be ordained a bishop.

"That is our will!" the congregation chanted loudly.

LIBERAL WING

Robinson, who has lived with his male partner for 13 years, has pleaded for unity. But conservatives warn that his installation may split the 70-million-member Anglican Communion.

The church's Lambeth Conference of 1998 held that the Anglican communion regards homosexual practice as "incompatible with scripture" and condemned the blessing of same-sex unions.

The Rev. Canon David Anderson, president of the American Anglican Council, called Robinson's consecration "schismatic" and said his group was already preparing to lead a break from the more liberal wing of the U.S. Episcopal Church.

"I would anticipate that by tomorrow morning, statements of repudiation will be coming in from primates (church leaders) around the world," Anderson said in a telephone interview from Atlanta, Georgia.

Sky News broadcast the service live in Britain, a sign of the keen interest the event generated in the home of the 450-year-old Anglican Church.

Outside the arena, mounted police stood by as protesters opposed the church for appointing an openly gay bishop and members of the congregation hailed the historic event.

"This is a wonderful situation," said John Ebel, a Roman Catholic from Buffalo, New York. "I admire the Episcopal church for recognizing Gene's skill and ability to be bishop."

But others, including members of a Baptist church from Kansas, shouted at participants and waved neon-colored placards with homophobic messages like "God Hates Fags."

Some members of the U.S. church have said they plan to ask Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the worldwide Anglican faith, for permission to separate from the Episcopal Church.

Williams has said Robinson should not have been elected a bishop because he is a practicing homosexual. The archbishop spoke last month of a "huge crisis looming" as a result.

[TradicalRC]

Gee, whatever happened to those Greeks, anyway?

[Brian Allen]

The Holy Catholic and Apostolic ["Anglican"] Church of England counts among its Pillars such luminaries as the Saints Mathew, Mark, Luke, James, Timothy, Peter, Paul et al.

Every one of them predated Harry Yate by 1,500 years or so.

Any ring a bell with you?

[TradicalRC]

The first Pope, the Apostle Peter is buried in the Vatican. To my knowledge he was never a Caesar.

[TradicalRC]

Yes, I do know those names. They are part of the Roman Catholic Tradition.

[Brian Allen]

<< Yes, I do know those names. They are part of the Roman Catholic Tradition. >>

And a part of the Tradition and of the History of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of England which predates its somewhat mutated but nonetheless much loved Roman first cousin of a sort.

Blessings -- Brian

[ppaul]

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) speaks at a gay pride celebration at the CIA headquarters in Langley June 6, 2000.

Sheesh.
We're in trouble, big time!

[ppaul]

...the Primates’ Meeting of October 15th and 16th which was unanimously assented to by the thirty-seven Primates present including the presiding bishop of ECUSA.

[GeekDejure]

Sheesh. We're in trouble, big time!

If we can't even keep the queers in check, but rather allow them to infiltrate and then destroy everything that is supposed to follow the law of our Creator . . . how are we ever going to be able to control, quell, or defeat the masses of murdering Muzzle-em savages that are fervently committed to destroying the USA and kill the infidels that reside therein ???

[ppaul]

If we can't even keep the queers in check, but rather allow them to infiltrate and then destroy everything that is supposed to follow the law of our Creator . . . how are we ever going to be able to control, quell, or defeat the masses of murdering Muzzle-em savages that are fervently committed to destroying the USA and kill the infidels that reside therein ???

I dunno.
Apparently, the CIA is already staffed by fudgepackers.
No wonder our intelligence is a laughing stock around the world.

[keilimon]

Uh, no. There were Christians in Rome even before the apostles Peter and Paul. The Roman Church was up and running by 45 -- about the time Claudius's first legions were landing in Britain. Any claim that these legions included Christian missionaries would be fanciful at best.

To use the patristic rule that the Church is "where the bishop is", there was no Church in Britain before Pope Gregory I the Great sent Augustine to Canterbury.

England didn't require "conquering" by Constantine. Have you never heard of Hadrian's Wall? Evidently you don't know that Constantine was in England himself, with his father's troops, when he launched the campaign that would make him Caesar.

Properly chastened for posting off-the-cuff and late at night! Also why I said "if memory serves" - although I would have been better served to wait for my memory.

I do know English history, I just suffer from a poor memory for names (an unfortunate result of having been a less-than-successful mountaineer).

Let me begin with the patristic rule. When Augustine arrived Ethelbert had a Christian wife, who worshipped with Bishop Luidhard of the Franks. True, Ethelbert converted later, but arguably the church was established before Augustine.

Also, Gregory's monks found that the Christian Scot missionaries from Ireland observed Easter at a time different than Rome, using a calendar used by St. John the Evangelist when he presided over Ephesus, and presumably preceding the First Ecumenical Council (Augustine argued that the Picts and Britons were the only peoples in the civilized world to still use the outdated calendar). Again arguably the established church in Ephesus is older than that in Rome, so it may be hypothesized that the Scot missionaries established a church before the Romans.

Fun to dig into history and speculate, isn't it? Blake went a bit further, expounding on British folklore that Our Lord may have visited Briton with Joseph of Arimathea:

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England?s mountains green?
And was the Holy Lamb of God
On England?s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England?s green and pleasant land.

[keilimon]

Uh, no. There were Christians in Rome even before the apostles Peter and Paul. The Roman Church was up and running by 45 -- about the time Claudius's first legions were landing in Britain. Any claim that these legions included Christian missionaries would be fanciful at best.

To use the patristic rule that the Church is "where the bishop is", there was no Church in Britain before Pope Gregory I the Great sent Augustine to Canterbury.

England didn't require "conquering" by Constantine. Have you never heard of Hadrian's Wall? Evidently you don't know that Constantine was in England himself, with his father's troops, when he launched the campaign that would make him Caesar.

Properly chastened for posting off-the-cuff and late at night! Also why I said "if memory serves" - although I would have been better served to wait for my memory.

I do know English history, I just suffer from a poor memory for names (an unfortunate result of having been a less-than-successful mountaineer).

Let me begin with the patristic rule. When Augustine arrived Ethelbert had a Christian wife, who worshipped with Bishop Luidhard of the Franks. True, Ethelbert converted later, but arguably the church was established before Augustine.

Also, Gregory's monks found that the Christian Scot missionaries from Ireland observed Easter at a time different than Rome, using a calendar used by St. John the Evangelist when he presided over Ephesus, and presumably preceding the First Ecumenical Council (Augustine argued that the Picts and Britons were the only peoples in the civilized world to still use the outdated calendar). Again arguably the established church in Ephesus is older than that in Rome, so it may be hypothesized that the Scot missionaries established a church before the Romans.

Fun to dig into history and speculate, isn't it? Blake went a bit further, expounding on British folklore that Our Lord may have visited Briton with Joseph of Arimathea:

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England?s mountains green?
And was the Holy Lamb of God
On England?s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England?s green and pleasant land.

[keilimon]

Uh, no. There were Christians in Rome even before the apostles Peter and Paul. The Roman Church was up and running by 45 -- about the time Claudius's first legions were landing in Britain. Any claim that these legions included Christian missionaries would be fanciful at best.

To use the patristic rule that the Church is "where the bishop is", there was no Church in Britain before Pope Gregory I the Great sent Augustine to Canterbury.

England didn't require "conquering" by Constantine. Have you never heard of Hadrian's Wall? Evidently you don't know that Constantine was in England himself, with his father's troops, when he launched the campaign that would make him Caesar.

Properly chastened for posting off-the-cuff and late at night! Also why I said "if memory serves" - although I would have been better served to wait for my memory.

I do know English history, I just suffer from a poor memory for names (an unfortunate result of having been a less-than-successful mountaineer).

Let me begin with the patristic rule. When Augustine arrived Ethelbert had a Christian wife, who worshipped with Bishop Luidhard of the Franks. True, Ethelbert converted later, but arguably the church was established before Augustine.

Also, Gregory's monks found that the Christian Scot missionaries from Ireland observed Easter at a time different than Rome, using a calendar used by St. John the Evangelist when he presided over Ephesus, and presumably preceding the First Ecumenical Council (Augustine argued that the Picts and Britons were the only peoples in the civilized world to still use the outdated calendar). Again arguably the established church in Ephesus is older than that in Rome, so it may be hypothesized that the Scot missionaries established a church before the Romans.

Fun to dig into history and speculate, isn't it? Blake went a bit further, expounding on British folklore that Our Lord may have visited Briton with Joseph of Arimathea:

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England?s mountains green?
And was the Holy Lamb of God
On England?s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England?s green and pleasant land.

[keilimon]

My apologies for a ridiculous triple post. Opera has been misbehaving since I moved to Windows XP (I miss 2000 Pro).

[Happy2BMe]

"Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) speaks at a gay pride celebration at the CIA headquarters in Langley June 6, 2000."

We owe a debt of gratitude to this man for that giant leap of authorized perversion:

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[Happy2BMe]

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

[TradicalRC]

Okay, so what you believe is that the Anglican Church existed, was Romanized around the fourth century and then DE-Romanized about a thousand years later by Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. Interesting historical perspective. What history books do you draw this information from?

[N3WBI3]

All I could think when I read that how vein to think that if we act a certain way 'God will be served'. God is holy he will be served no matter what we do, if we do not worship him he is still served because he is perfect.

We may suffer hell for our actions but God will still be served..

[KriegerGeist]

"This brood of vipers knows no sin - a seared conscience no longer senses it . . ."

They are creating the "Burger King" church: "Have it YOUR way"

2 Timothy 4:3,4

3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

[Elsie]

....at the CIA headquarters in Langley.....

Why does OUR GOVERNMENT sponsor this????

[Elsie]

But don't you think the whole "Banish them!" line is over-reacting just a teensy bit?

 

The BOOK doesn't seem to think so....

 

 

1 Corinthians 5

 

 1.  It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife.
 2.  And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this?
 3.  Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.
 4.  When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present,
 5.  hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.
 6.  Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough?
 7.  Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
 8.  Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
 9.  I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people--
 10.  not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world.
 11.  But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
 12.  What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
 13.  God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

 

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
 9.  Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
 10.  nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
 11.  And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

were..... change IS possible!!!