Posted on 01/09/2015 9:17:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
If Rand Paul wants to have any chance of running for the Republican nomination for president in 2016, not to mention the presidency itself, there is one thing he needs to do immediately.
Tell Dad to shut up.
In response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris, Ron Paul took a break from his usual blame-America-first rhetoric to blame France first. On an internet television show, Paul the Elder declared, France has been a target for many, many years, because theyve been involved in foreign affairs in Libya, and they really prodded us along inrecently in Libya, but theyve been involved in Algeria, so theyve had attacks like this, you know, not infrequently. He continued:
I put blame on bad policy that we dont fully understand, and we dont understand what theyre doing because the people who are objecting to the foreign policy that we pursue, they do it from a different perspective. They see us as attacking them, and killing innocent people, so yes, they, they havethis doesnt justify, so dont put those words in my mouthit doesnt justify, but it explains it . Its that overall policy which invites retaliation.
This is absurd on a number of levels. First, many of the Western interventions that Paul cites were efforts to attack and destroy Islamic terrorist groups. It now appears, for example, that the leader of the Paris attack was previously jailed for recruiting French Muslims to fight for al-Qaeda in Iraq. So when we attack Islamic terrorist networks, Islamic terrorists become angry with us. Thanks for that nugget of wisdom, but it doesnt make the destruction of terrorist networks any less desirable. (As for the Paris attackers claim that he supported al-Qaeda because he was angry about US abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, this requires that you forget the giant, systematic war crimes perpetrated by jihadists wherever they try to seize power, as the Islamic State has recently reminded us in Syria.)
More important, there is no reason to believe that Charlie Hebdo was attacked as a protest against French foreign policy. If you take the attackers own reported claims at face value, they were attacking to avenge the prophet against insults from the tabloids cartoonists. And if you still dont believe that this is the motive, British radical Anjem Choudary has taken to the pages of USA Today and helpfully explained to us that Islamists such as himself do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression and regard blasphemy as a capital offense. You dont say.
But Ron Paul wants to overrule the Islamists own statement of their motives. I call this Bin Laden Syndrome by Proxy: taking someone elses terrorist attack, fantasizing what you think his motives ought to be according to your world view, and then using the attack to try to get everyone to climb onto your own ideological hobby horse.
It goes without saying that there isnt much of a market for that outlook, particularly among the Republican base. It smacks too much of appeasement. There might be some good reasons to alter our foreign policy, but avoiding the anger of our sworn enemies is not one of those reasons.
So if Rand Paul wants a chance in 2016, he has to convince his father to zip it.
Then again, Paul the Elders views dont come out of nowhere. They come from the same old-style libertarian base that Paul the Younger is no doubt counting on to jump-start his campaign.
The old libertarians are not just advocates of small government or limited government. They regard government as such as the enemy. Even those who are not openly declared anarchistsand there were plenty of thoseare hard-pressed to admit find any branch of government they would support, and that hatred and suspicion of government extends to the police and the military. As a result, the libertarians have generally borrowed the foreign policy of the far left, in which American imperialism and the military-industrial complex are always the real enemy. When you spend your time nursing an unwarranted hostility toward your own country, you tend to end up indulging an unwarranted sympathy toward its sworn enemies.
So maybe Ron Paul should keep on talking. If he isnt doing his son any favors, he might do us some favors by reminding us where Rand Paul came from and leading us to ask some hard questions about how far the apple has fallen from the tree.
What is good for the father is also good for the son.
Ron Paul is incorrigible. Worst, he has zero clue about Islamic fanatics. He needs to read up 1300+ year history of India. He will learn all about spreading religion with threat of decapitation. Only reason India was not taken over by Islam is because a Hindu war lord named Shivaji defeated the Muslim emperor, which halted more conversions to Islam. In other words it took use of a sword to subdue Muslims. The Muslims are now attacking Western countries because they have figured out the resistance is weak there. Has the so called leader of the free world, president of United States even uttered the words Islamic Jihadists? Just like cancer, Islam spreads quietly, and grows silently until it becomes strong enough to kill the host.
All I got to say is why bother? Rand Paul has zero chance of becoming president. He’s on par with John Kennedy, Jr.
Rand is preferable to Jeb, Mitt & Chris.
But that is not saying much!
Which western nations suffer more Muslim terrorism than India?
USA with 3000 killed in one terrorist attack.
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Among those four, I'd take Mitt without hesitation. But, seriously, I think there is a pretty broad bench for 2016 that won't include most of these four. I'm guessing we will see Walker and Cruz run.
“Among those four, I’d take Mitt without hesitation.”
Nothing but a white Obama. His policies are exactly the same, but wrapped in red white and blue. But no material difference on healthcare, Education, islam, illegal immigration and amnesty, gun control, global warming, abortion, etc etc,,,,,
Immigration is the enemy!
Idiocy for ALL sovereign nations.
That's like being overjoyed that you stepped into a smaller pile of dog crap than the others that are scattered on your lawn.
Rand Paul is his daddy’s little boy.....
I know about that attack back in 2001, but the question was.
“Which western nations suffer more Muslim terrorism than India?”
Your tale in post three seemed to say that India had subdued Muslims, while Western nation’s weakness was causing them to be the top targets of Muslim terrorism.
I don’t think that is the situation, judging by where the majority of Islamic terrorism takes place, and there is a lot of it in India.
What is good for the father is also good for the son.
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Exactly. Someone needs to tell Rand Paul to shut up, stop pandering to every oddball group he can find and just do the job he was elected to do as a Senator. ....He’s as bad as McCain, Graham, Durbin and Schuster when he sees a TV camera anywhere nearby. He’ll run over you to get his TV face time.
Here is a quote from Wikipedia, I haven’t tracked it all the way down yet.
“According to a U.S. State Department report, India topped the list of countries most affected by Islamic terrorism.”
Rand Paul On Shutdown: "Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea"I said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. Even though it did appear as if I was participating in it, I said it was a dumb idea. And the reason I voted for it, though, is that it's a conundrum. Here's the conundrum. We have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can't give the president a blank check. We just can't keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. So unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and I can't vote for that. But the conundrum is if I don't we do approach these deadlines. So there is an impasse. In 2011, though, we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. We got the sequester. If we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years.[Posted on 11/19/2013 12:16:51 PM by Third Person]
Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.[Posted on 01/31/2013 5:08:50 PM PST by xzins]
Rand Paul's immigration speech...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.
Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.
Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.
If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...
This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.
Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reformLatinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists][Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]
Rand Paul, Mitt Romney, we still have to point out that they are too far left to be supported by conservatives.
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