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DNA Traces Roots Back To Stone Age
Independent (UK) ^ | 3-24-2002 | Paul Lashmar

Posted on 03/25/2002 5:34:27 PM PST by blam

26 March 2002 01:46 GMT

DNA traces roots back to Stone Age

By Paul Lashmar
24 March 2002

Are you a Viking, Saxon, Pict, Celt, or descendant of an ancient African tribe? New DNA testing methods will enable us to trace our family tree right back to the Stone Age.

Until recently, researching your ancestry meant hours of painstaking digging through fusty old files in public record offices or asking older relatives about their family memories. When the 1901 census was released online, demand was so great that the system crashed.

The new scientific technique for tracing relatives allows individuals to submit a DNA sample to a laboratory, to be matched with other, historic samples.

Genealogists Oxford Ancestors launched their "Viking" service this week. For £160 they will test your DNA sample. "We will be able to tell you if your ancestors were Norsemen who arrived here more than 1,000 years ago in a longboat," said chief executive David Ashworth.

The service follows the popularity of the BBC history series Blood of the Vikings. By matching their DNA with samples taken from modern day Danish descendents of the Vikings, a number of Britons were found to have Viking blood, especially in areas where Viking communities settled during the Dark Ages.

Discovering whether you are a Pict or Saxon will be more difficult. "But it will probably be possible in due course," said Mr Ashworth. "In some cases you can get your family tree back as far as 1400 or, exceptionally, 1200. But that is only really if you are related to a king or very prominent family."

Genetic fingerprinting promises to solve this problem, taking researchers as far back as 45,000 years although it does not identify individual ancestors.

Oxford Ancestors has two other DNA tests for avid genealogists. One has traced the maternal ancestry of almost all Europeans to just seven women who lived in different parts of the continent between 45,000 and 10,000 years ago.

The other enabled Oxford Ancestors' founder Professor Bryan Sykes to prove that he and 250 other men named Sykes shared a 14th-century founding father.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: bryansykes; celts; dnatraces; fartyshadesofgreen; gingergene; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; ireland; johnhawks; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; tuscany
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I think we may find the Neanderthals among us before I die, maybe?
1 posted on 03/25/2002 5:34:27 PM PST by blam
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To: RightWhale;farmfriend
The Seven Daughter's Of Eve
2 posted on 03/25/2002 5:36:49 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The Seven Daughters of Eve

Professor Sykes and his team have created profiles for each of the seven matriarchal groups. They are:
Helena — This clan lived in the ice-capped Pyrenees. As the climate warmed, Helena’s descendants trekked northward to what is now England, some 12,000 years ago. Members of this group are now present in all European countries.

Jasmine — Her people had a relatively happy life in Syria, where they farmed wheat and raised domestic animals. Jasmine’s descendants traveled throughout Europe, spreading their agricultural innovations with them.

Katrine — Members of this group lived in Venice 10,000 years ago. Today most of Katrine’s clan lives in the Alps.

Tara — Sykes’ maternal ancestry goes back to this group, which settled in Tuscany 17,000 years ago. Descendants ventured across northern Europe and eventually crossed the English Channel.

Ursula — Users of stone tools, Ursula’s clan members drifted across all of Europe.

Valda — Originally from Spain, Valda and her immediate descendants lived 17,000 years ago. Later relatives moved into northern Finland and Norway.

Xenia — Not much is known about Xenia, but it is believed that her people lived in the Caucasus Mountains 25,000 years ago. Just before the Ice Age, this clan spread across Europe, and even reached the Americas.

Oxford Ancestors, a venture associated with Oxford University, will trace individual matrilinial DNA, for a fee of $180 per test.

3 posted on 03/25/2002 5:43:21 PM PST by blam
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To: LostTribe;Rytwyng
If we can get a large enough DNA data base, we will probably find the Lost Tribes.
4 posted on 03/25/2002 5:45:08 PM PST by blam
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To: ValerieUSA;JudyB1938
FYI.
5 posted on 03/25/2002 5:46:51 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
BLAM, I GIVE YOU THE LOST TRIBES...

Did Israel's Lost Tribes End Up in Afghanistan?

By Tom Heneghan

KABUL (Reuters) - Considering all they shunned and shattered in their quest for pure Islam, Afghanistan's now vanquished Taliban seem to have overlooked the awkward legend that they were descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel.

The Pashtun tribes that produced the Taliban, one of the most zealous sects the Muslim world has ever seen, have traditionally traced their roots to the Jews who disappeared after the Babylonian Captivity in the sixth century B.C.

The legend, which seems bizarre in light of Jewish-Muslim tensions since the creation of Israel in 1947, is the cornerstone of the complex genealogies delineating the proud Pashtun tribes of Islamic Afghanistan and Pakistan.

With Afghanistan in the news since September 11, Jewish-interest media and Internet sites in Israel and the United States have begun taking a closer look at the unusual legend.

Despite their virulent anti-Semitism, the Taliban themselves apparently ignored the legend that educated Pashtuns find historically unlikely and politically uncomfortable.

"They were only interested in the narrow religious aspect of things," explained Nehmatullah Ander, director of the International Institute for Pashtu Studies in Kabul.

The Taliban barred women from work and school, blew up the huge ancient Buddha statues of Bamiyan and banned television, kite-flying and squeaky shoes as insults to Islam.

They also declared that Pashtunwali, the strict Pashtun tribal code of honor and revenge, was un-Islamic and ordered Ander's institute to stop academic research into it.

"They opposed Pashtunwali, but only because they wanted Sharia (Islamic) law to be supreme in Afghanistan," Ander said.

Abdul Shukoor Rishad, the doyen of Afghan historians with 30 books on history and literature to his name, said Taliban intellectual pursuits were limited.

"The Taliban only published two books, and there were both about theology," he said.

OUT OF BABYLON?

The 20 million or so Pashtuns, fabled guardians of the wild mountains of eastern and southern Afghanistan and Pakistan's Northwest Frontier, boast a complex tribal society organized according to genealogies reaching back to Biblical times.

Their founding legend starts in the 10th century B.C. with Afghana, a supposed grandson of Israel's King Saul and commander of King Solomon's army unmentioned in Jewish scriptures.

It then jumps four centuries ahead to ancient Babylon, where emperor Nebuchadnezzar had taken the Twelve Tribes of Israel as slaves after conquering them in the 6th century B.C.

"There was not enough room in Babylon, so he sent 10 tribes to the east," Rishad recounted. "They settled near Isfahan in Iran, in a city called Yahudia."

Pashtun legend says the Jews then moved into the central -- and non-Pashtun -- Afghan region of Hazarajat, and later spread south to Quetta, in present-day Pakistan, and east to the Indus river.

Rishad rejects this theory, which first found its way into print in about 1612 in Delhi, where a Moghul court scribe wrote Makhzan-i-Afghani (Origin of the Afghans).

"This book was hastily written by enemies of the Afghans," Rishad said, adding it ignored ancient Persian, Hindu and Greek writings, including Herodotus, where no Jewish origin is ever mentioned.

Sir Olaf Caroe, a prominent British historian of the Pashtuns, called the legend "all great fun" but concluded it was too riddled with inconsistencies to be true.

JEWISH NAMES?

That has not stopped the quest for the Lost Tribes from turning once again toward Afghanistan, one of many countries where researchers hope to track down the vanished Jews.

"The Pathans (Pashtuns) have the custom of circumcision on the eighth day. This is a known Jewish custom," wrote Rabbi Marvin Tokayer in an article on a Jewish-interest Web site called Moshiach (Messiah).

"The Sabbath is considered a day of rest and they do not labour, cook or bake," he wrote. "Pathans have the custom of Kosher, dietary laws same as Jews."

"Dozens of Pashtun names and customs sound Jewish," the Jewish Telegraphic Agency wrote. Researchers link Pashtun and Jewish tribe names such as Afridi (Ephraim), Yusufzai (Joseph), Shinwari (Shimon) and Rabbani (Reuben).

The Jewish Bulletin of Northern California recently recounted the legend that the name Kabul "stands for Cain and Abel."

This interest in the Lost Tribes legend exasperates Rishad, 80, who has fielded foreign queries about it for decades and is convinced the legend began with that Delhi court scribe.

"The names don't mean anything," he argued, adding that many Christian, Muslim and Jewish names shared common roots.

"Christians have names that were originally Jewish and they're not Jewish, are they?" he said.

Rishad is so convinced the legend has no basis in fact that he has turned down a large grant to research it further.

"There is an association in California that is searching for the Lost Tribes," he said. "When I was there in 1995, they were ready to provide me enough money for a new study.

"I turned it down because the theory is wrong. Afghans are not Jewish."

6 posted on 03/25/2002 5:53:08 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: blam
I think a halfway creative scam artist ought to be able to make a few bucks off of this kind of "technology." Step aside Miss Cleo - you've been found out! Now it's time for Miss Valerie to tell the desperate people just who was their very own "Eve". Call Me Now!
7 posted on 03/25/2002 6:29:50 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: blam
Interesting, of course, but spectacularly speculative. Despite recent hullaballoo, fine grain genetic tracing is on the far side of science fiction. The history of recent attempts has bordered more on fraud than even fiction. The sponsoring organizations always managed to "find" just what they were looking for.
8 posted on 03/25/2002 6:30:34 PM PST by skraeling
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To: Pharmboy
If you really want to find out what happened to the Lost Tribes of Israel all you have to do is click on my Profile.
9 posted on 03/25/2002 6:32:32 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: Pharmboy
>"Christians have names that were originally Jewish and they're not Jewish, are they?" he said.

There are some surprises in store for some who think their name is Jewish:

Partial list of Genesis CHARACTERS WHO WERE NOT JEWISH

God, Adam , Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Shem, Ham, Japheth, Lot, Abraham , Sara, Melchizedek, Eliezer, Hagar, Ishmael, Isaac , Abimelech, Rebekah, Laban, Keturah, Esau, Jacob/Israel , Leah, Rachel, Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dinah, Potiphar, Tamar, Perez, Zerah, Manasseh, Ephraim.

Also: Moses, David, Solomon and Sampson were not Jews, among others...

10 posted on 03/25/2002 6:38:25 PM PST by LostTribe
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>...That has not stopped the quest for the Lost Tribes... where researchers hope to track down the vanished Jews.

Since the Lost Tribes of Israel were never Jewish, they won't find them there. {ggg}.

11 posted on 03/25/2002 6:41:10 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: Graewoulf
ping :)
12 posted on 03/25/2002 6:42:20 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: blam
>If we can get a large enough DNA data base, we will probably find the Lost Tribes.

The population numbers of the Israelites (shown at my Profile) are startling. The Lost Tribes were in reality SO LARGE that there is little chance they could just disappear from history. They certainly were no scruffy little band of camel drivers sitting around a campfire at on oasis, picking their noses.

13 posted on 03/25/2002 7:34:06 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: blam
we will probably find the lost tribes

Do a websearch for the Lemba. They are Blacks in southern Africa who have a cultural tradition resembling Judaism. Their legends say they are descended from traders who were away from home, when the news of the fall of their homeland reached them -- so they stayed where they were and married locals... Black Africans.

Genetic tests on their Y-chromosomes indicate that indeed, their Male ancestors were largely Semitic, not Sub-saharan African. Furthermore, the "priestly" tribe of Lemba has many Y-chromosomes of the "Cohen Modal Haplotype"... In short, they really are Jews!

Not me, though... I'm a goy. My Irish mtDNA is identical to Helena's (no mutations in 20,000 years) and my Scottish Y chromosome is 2 single-step mutations away from the Atlantic Modal haplotype (descended from the Stone-Age colonists of Western Europe.)

14 posted on 03/25/2002 7:40:13 PM PST by Rytwyng
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>Genetic tests on their Y-chromosomes indicate that indeed, their Male ancestors were largely Semitic, not Sub-saharan African. Furthermore, the "priestly" tribe of Lemba has many Y-chromosomes of the "Cohen Modal Haplotype"... In short, they really are Jews!

It was with the so-called "Jewish Gene" projects that the research "irregularities" were discovered. Check recent threads here on FR for lots of details.

15 posted on 03/25/2002 7:47:33 PM PST by skraeling
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To: Rytwyng
So, Buffy tells me you're a Helena - not one of the Boston Helenas, perchance?
No, ma'am, I'm one of the cave dwelling Helenas from across the big pond. My pedigree is as long as the wooly mammoth migration route.
16 posted on 03/25/2002 7:57:03 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: skraeling
Thanks...

Can you give links to the threads? It'll help find them faster.

17 posted on 03/25/2002 8:03:49 PM PST by Rytwyng
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>Can you give links to the threads? It'll help find them faster.

Wish I had them handy but I'm on the road. Have hard copies back at the office. They have both the initial articles and excellent comments, and are not more than a month or two old. If I find them will send to you, meanwhile, maybe someone else will jump in...

18 posted on 03/25/2002 8:09:40 PM PST by skraeling
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To: LostTribe
There is a very easy way to determine if the Celts are indeed the "Lost Tribes of Israel." Do nuclear and mitochondrial DNA analyses of present-day Jews (both the European derived Ashkenazi and the Mediterranean-derived Sephardic) and see if there are any similarities that can date them all back to around 2700 or so years ago. Quite reliable.
19 posted on 03/26/2002 9:08:48 AM PST by Pharmboy
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>Quite reliable.

Perhaps, but I have not seen much to give me your confidence with it. I recall seeing several threads here on FR in the past few months which concluded that all such studies to date have been overblown and rigged.

20 posted on 03/26/2002 4:39:00 PM PST by LostTribe
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