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'A tipping point'?: Why this 1768 painting could be the real birth of modern art
BBC ^ | 11/12/2025 | Matthew Wilson

Posted on 11/16/2025 1:55:04 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

While many argue that "modern art" began in the 1800s, could it actually have started with Joseph Wright of Derby's An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump, nearly a century before?

What is "modern art"? It seems like a simple question, but critics and art historians have quarrelled about it for decades without agreement. Nor is there any consensus about which artwork marks the turning point between "traditional" and "modern".

Many point to the 1800s – and paintings like Le Déjeuner sur l'Herbe (1863) by Édouard Manet, Rain, Steam, and Speed - The Great Western Railway (1844) by JMW Turner, and The Third of May 1808 (1814) by Francisco Goya, who was described by the art critic Robert Hughes as "the first modern artist and the last old master". 

A new exhibition at the National Gallery in London reminds us that there is another contender in the ring. It's a painting that has some of the key ingredients of modern art, decades ahead of its time: Joseph Wright of Derby's An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump (1768).

At the centre is a scientist with one hand on the valve which allows air in and out of the glass container. On the table is the air pump. The spectators react to the spectacle of the suffocating bird in different ways. On the left, a young couple seem more interested in checking each other out than the experiment. On the right, two young girls react in horror at the act of animal cruelty. The men nearest us seem able to control their horror. A young boy in the back lowers a curtain to block out...


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To: waterhill

Goya. That’s a creepy [redacted] painting, but given the prevalence of horror movies, probably resonates with a younger modern crowd.


21 posted on 11/16/2025 5:31:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: waterhill

Goya also kinda invented the pinup.

Here she is fully clothed:

https://www.franciscogoya.com/clothed-maja.jsp

Here she is, uh, well, HERE SHE IS:

https://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/art-work/the-naked-maja/65953b93-323e-48fe-98cb-9d4b15852b18


22 posted on 11/16/2025 5:37:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Paul Johnson, “Art: A New History”, said that, ‘Art is anything that appeals to our sense of the sublime’.
Almost all ‘modern art’ is not art. It is degeneracy.
I have spoken.


23 posted on 11/16/2025 5:38:21 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I got your "Modern Art" right here -- Courtesy of DuckDuckGo. ;-)

24 posted on 11/16/2025 5:46:40 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s it. Saturn eating his own.

We got the Bosch print (small) in the hallway. No Goya.


25 posted on 11/16/2025 5:56:09 PM PST by waterhill (Nobody cares, work harder!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Goyas in the Prado are scattered. Boy, that guy had some life.


26 posted on 11/16/2025 5:58:57 PM PST by combat_boots
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To: SunkenCiv

Goya. That’s a creepy [redacted] painting, but given the prevalence of horror movies, probably resonates with a younger modern crowd.

............

Most don’t even know the meaning behind that painting...

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27 posted on 11/16/2025 6:07:16 PM PST by waterhill (Nobody cares, work harder!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks. Being a guy & an art aficionado I searched on “Unclothed-Maja” figuring it might be a series.

Warning for the less sophisticated. You don’t want to do that. Instead of Modern Art, I got modern nudity.

No worries, I’ve recovered from the shock. ;-)


28 posted on 11/16/2025 6:13:09 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: combat_boots

While I was looking for the pinup, I noticed his known body of works exceeds 400.

The 19th century painter Bouguereau had at least 822. Even current day hacks who fob stuff off as art don’t necessarily approach that number.

https://www.google.com/search?q=William+Adolphe+Bouguereau&udm=2


29 posted on 11/16/2025 6:19:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: waterhill

I’ve got Goya, but its the canned food.


30 posted on 11/16/2025 6:26:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I love the Grecos lining the entrance hall of the Prado. It’s religious, ethereal.


31 posted on 11/16/2025 9:16:41 PM PST by combat_boots
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To: combat_boots

https://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/artist/el-greco/b031da57-6a7e-43f2-a855-293275efc340

https://search.brave.com/images?q=el+greco


32 posted on 11/16/2025 9:37:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: Tunehead54
😎

33 posted on 11/16/2025 9:38:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

For me, you just can’t top a nude on velvet, sorry.


34 posted on 11/16/2025 9:43:10 PM PST by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man, but it's okay... I wasn't married to it.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Of course it’s absolutely modern. Why, Henry Winkler is right there in the center operating the air pump.


35 posted on 11/17/2025 3:38:35 AM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks

Fond memories


36 posted on 11/17/2025 4:09:27 AM PST by combat_boots
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To: ClearCase_guy

Nothing beats this as Modern Art!..................

37 posted on 11/17/2025 5:55:29 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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