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Has Trump been held hostage?
FR ^ | July 11 | RF

Posted on 07/11/2025 12:55:26 AM PDT by RandFan

I honestly think to get the OBBB passed he's had to give up certain positions.

How else do you explain it?

The endorsement of Lindsey Graham, too? The resumption of aid to Ukraine?

It's all very odd and timely.

I think Trump has (had) a lot invested in getting OBBB done.

Think about it. It was his signature bill. They held it hostage and now you see why...

There is (was) a lot at stake.


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1 posted on 07/11/2025 12:55:26 AM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

Would he have traded Epstein list?


2 posted on 07/11/2025 1:00:33 AM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: GizzyGirl

I’ll let you speculate but who knows

A lot of crazy stuff happening


3 posted on 07/11/2025 1:01:26 AM PDT by RandFan
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"Think about it. It was his signature bill. They held it hostage and now you see why..."

I saw Republicans doing what they always do, failing to join forces, and work together to get President Trump's agenda passed, and your favorite Senator voted against it. They did it in his first term. Nothing's changed with Congress. It's still full of a bunch of self-serving assholes.

4 posted on 07/11/2025 1:01:45 AM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

It needed Vance to break a tie so 3 GOPers voted against it

Let’s remember that. It’s important.


5 posted on 07/11/2025 1:03:10 AM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

Yes, if you are correct, Rand Paul helped them hold the bill hostage so they could blackmail him on this stuff.


6 posted on 07/11/2025 1:04:47 AM PDT by Farcesensitive (Epstein didn't kill himself)
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To: Farcesensitive

Wrong that wasn’t his motive and you know it

However, the other senators ....


7 posted on 07/11/2025 1:06:18 AM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

I know no such thing.

I only know he helped hold up the bill which facilitated the blackmail that he most certainly was not ignorant of.


8 posted on 07/11/2025 1:10:30 AM PDT by Farcesensitive (Epstein didn't kill himself)
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To: RandFan

Graham definitely held BBB hostage on behalf of the Neocons to get Trump to waste more weapons and money on Ukraine and to cool his approach toward normalizing relations with Russia. This might delay Russia’s victory by a few months but the cost will be more lives lost and much more treasure wasted.


9 posted on 07/11/2025 1:26:27 AM PDT by Neanderthal (GETTING TIRED OF WINNING!!)
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To: RandFan

Get over yourself.


10 posted on 07/11/2025 1:45:08 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: RandFan

What is taking place is the undoing of Trump....losing a ton of political capital on this..


11 posted on 07/11/2025 2:16:15 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: RandFan

You’ve been roasted. FWIW.


12 posted on 07/11/2025 2:52:52 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: dpetty121263

What is taking place has nothing to do with political capital. He does not need us anymore. Doesn’t need popular support. Doesn’t need to explain anything. Doesn’t need anyone to show up at his rallies

What is taking place is the guy that those people voted for is doing what he said he would do. Those people are impatient, watching too much media news. Easily swayed. Not stepping back. Not getting back to work. Untrusting.

And he knew they would do that.

This is not clintonobamabush wanting to know what ideas float. Thats over. He does not operate like that

He will do what he said he was going to do

When people think that happens immediately they are low on not just trust but critical thinking and common sense.


13 posted on 07/11/2025 3:13:15 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: dpetty121263

🤡😂


14 posted on 07/11/2025 3:22:23 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal !)
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To: Farcesensitive
I only know he helped hold up the bill which facilitated the blackmail that he most certainly was not ignorant of.

Economically, Rand Paul was correct in holding up this bill.

15 posted on 07/11/2025 3:22:32 AM PDT by Stepan12 (Enrique Tarrio? “Remember the prisoners as if chained with them – those who are mistreated…” Hebrew)
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“ Economically, Rand Paul was correct in holding up this bill.”

There’s another thread on this page about how gen z doesn’t know finances. One comment points out that boomers are not necessarily great

We are approaching 40 T in debt. People say that a bill that saves 6 billion versus 40 billion is going to fix that.

They trust a doctor - the worst money managers second only to politicians- turned-politician who has never met a republican idea he hasn’t loathed over a Wharton educated self made honest billionaire former president with stellar deal making bona fides and international monetary expertise and foreign affairs successes

People here trust republicans way too much


16 posted on 07/11/2025 3:29:55 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: RandFan

“Let’s remember that. It’s important.”

“President Ronald Reagan famously used the phrase “half a loaf is better than none.”

I agree with Reagan on this. Trump got what he needed. He got his immigration policy through. He got a permanent tax cut through. He got some of his investment strategy in America through. Everything else is congress making sausage.


17 posted on 07/11/2025 3:35:54 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (TDS much?)
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To: stanne
When people think that happens immediately they are low on not just trust but critical thinking and common sense.

Thank you for stating what lot of folks are missing.

18 posted on 07/11/2025 3:41:39 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perfection is impossible. But if you pursue perfection...you may achieve excellence.)
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To: RandFan
Your basic premise is wrong. Despite all his self-aggrandizing about this “big beautiful bill,” this is not Trump’s bill. At least 98% of it is the same stupid bill that would have been passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by a President George W. Bush or a President Mitt Romney or a President Jeb Bush.

President Trump wasn’t being held “hostage” over anything. This drama involved a bunch of clowns in Congress holding each other hostage.

19 posted on 07/11/2025 3:45:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Although my eyes were open, they might just as well be closed.")
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To: Stepan12

Morally, Rand opposed the bill, an evil, enslaving, unforced error.


20 posted on 07/11/2025 3:47:37 AM PDT by Theophilus (covfefe)
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