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Was PI Just Hacked? STRING THEORY Scientists ‘STUMBLE UPON’ Whole New Way to Represent Famously Irrational Number
The Debrief ^ | June 26, 2024 | Christopher Plain

Posted on 06/26/2024 5:44:58 AM PDT by Red Badger

String theory scientists studying the behavior of high energy particles say they have stumbled upon a mathematical “hack” that revealed a whole new way to represent the irrational number Pi. While the research is purely theoretical, the duo behind the Pi hack says this kind of theoretical work holds rewarding potential.

The researchers also believe their work could lead to a number of potential breakthroughs in the future, similar to how theoretical breakthroughs made by physicists nearly a hundred years ago resulted in technological advancements decades later.

AFTER 4,000 YEARS, PI IS STILL A MYSTERY

Defined as the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter and often represented with the symbol π, the earliest written representations of Pi date back to around 1,900 BC and 1,50 BC in Babylon and Egypt, respectively. Still, although the concept of Pi itself is rather straightforward, mathematicians have struggled for centuries to calculate the number accurately, leading to Pi being classified as irrational.

Unfortunately for modern scientists, Pi is often needed when performing calculations related to a wide range of scientific inquiries, including disciplines as disparate as chemical engineering and aerospace design. In these cases, scientists often use a mathematical “series” to represent Pi instead of a rounded-off approximation like the 3.14 most people are familiar with. According to the researchers behind this latest discovery, “if pi is the “dish” then the series is the “recipe.”

Still, those representations have limitations, leaving researchers continually searching for a more accurate and efficient way to represent this irrational number. Now, Arnab Saha, a postdoc, and Aninda Sinha, a Professor at the Centre for High Energy Physics at the Indian Institute of Science (IISc), say they have stumbled upon a whole new way to represent Pi. If proven, it may offer scientists a whole new method for using the number in complex calculations.

ACCIDENTAL DISCOVERY OCCURRED DURING HIGH-ENERGY PHYSICS RESEARCH

Surprisingly, the team behind the potentially historic discovery says they weren’t even searching for a new representation of Pi. Instead, they were working on an aspect of String Theory that involved calculating the interactions of high-energy particles.

“Our efforts, initially, were never to find a way to look at pi,” Sinha explained. “All we were doing was studying high-energy physics in quantum theory and trying to develop a model with fewer and more accurate parameters to understand how particles interact.”

According to Sinha, it was during this process that he and Saha stumbled upon a whole new way to represent Pi, with the researcher noting, “We were excited when we got a new way to look at Pi.”

While the mathematics of the discovery are rather complex, the team says they are not the first to glimpse this new representation of Pi. Instead, they say that their representation “closely reaches” a representation made in the 15th century by Indian mathematician Sangamagrama Madhav. The team also says that 20th-century researchers also got close to their discovery but simply lacked the tools necessary to take their solution to the finish line.

“Physicists (and mathematicians) have missed this so far since they did not have the right tools, which were only found through work we have been doing with collaborators over the last three years or so,” Sinha explains. “In the early 1970s, scientists briefly examined this line of research but quickly abandoned it since it was too complicated.”

To make their historic discovery, Sinha and Saha say they “clubbed together” two firmly established mathematical tools known as Euler-Beta Functions and the Feynman Diagram. According to the press release announcing the discovery, “Euler-Beta functions are mathematical functions used to solve problems in diverse areas of physics and engineering, including machine learning, [while] The Feynman Diagram is a mathematical representation that explains the energy exchange that happens while two particles interact and scatter.”

As hoped, combining these tools resulted in an efficient model to help explain the particle interactions the team was studying. However, when confirming their calculations, they noted that the combination also netted something completely unexpected: a whole new way to represent Pi.

“The series that Sinha and Saha have stumbled upon combines specific parameters in such a way that scientists can rapidly arrive at the value of pi,” the press release explains, “which can then be incorporated in calculations, like those involved in deciphering scattering of high-energy particles.”

PURELY THEORETICAL DISCOVERY COULD OFFER UNSEEN BENEFITS IN THE FUTURE

While the work, published in the journal Physical Review Letters, is still purely theoretical, the team believes its new representation of Pi could help scientists across a wide range of disciplines, if not immediately.

For example, Sinha noted that 20th-century researcher Paul Dirac began his work on the mathematics of the motion and existence of electrons way back in 1928. However, Dirac didn’t live to see how his findings ultimately provided clues to the discovery of the positron and then to the design of Positron Emission Tomography (PET), which lets doctors scan the human body for diseases and abnormalities.

The team also points out that scientists can still enjoy the pure aspects of theory. As far as Sinha is concerned, that can be its own type of reward.

“Doing this kind of work, although it may not see an immediate application in daily life, gives the pure pleasure of doing theory for the sake of doing it,” the researcher said.

Christopher Plain is a Science Fiction and Fantasy novelist and Head Science Writer at The Debrief. Follow and connect with him on X, learn about his books at plainfiction.com, or email him directly at christopher@thedebrief.org.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Computers/Internet; History; Science
KEYWORDS: mathematics; physics; pi
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To: DesertRhino

21 posted on 06/26/2024 6:15:51 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Red Badger

You rarely, effectively never, know any of he quantities in an astronomical calculation to more than about 10 decimal places. π was likely one of the physical constants used to calculate the astronomical quantity. I cannot use a constant to calculate the value of a variable, and then turn around and use the result to calculate pi.

Google says that π is known to 105 trillion decimal places, far more than would be useful for any practical physical problem.


22 posted on 06/26/2024 6:18:12 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (לעזאזל עם חמאס)
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To: Red Badger

We usually used 3.1416....


23 posted on 06/26/2024 6:19:20 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: JBW1949; Ezekiel; Hebrews 11:6

John 3:14: “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”


24 posted on 06/26/2024 6:21:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger
...the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter...

That’s rational enough for me. I’ve accepted it, and moved on.

I say we raise a generation of Indian kids on base 12 mathematics, and let them figure it out.

25 posted on 06/26/2024 6:22:08 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Red Badger
… mathematicians have struggled for centuries to calculate the number accurately, leading to Pi being classified as irrational.


26 posted on 06/26/2024 6:22:46 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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To: Rio

27 posted on 06/26/2024 6:24:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: fwdude
I am more of an i guy myself.
28 posted on 06/26/2024 6:25:05 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Red Badger

I know less now than before reading the article. 3.14159265358973 should be close enough for any calculation needed in the visible or invisible universe. Should get you within a millimeter for a diameter of a million kilometers.

If there’s a mathematician or physicist out there, please verify.


29 posted on 06/26/2024 6:25:29 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Voltaire: To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.)
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To: Red Badger
The value of PI has been calculated to literally TRILLIONS of digits of precision.

It hasn't repeated yet. Trillions of digits. It's "irrational", folks, just accept that. :-)

When my daughter was very young, she and I memorized PI to 14 decimal places (3.14159265358979). That was fun, and we both still know it (she's 30, I'm 72).

30 posted on 06/26/2024 6:26:10 AM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

That’s funny right there!


31 posted on 06/26/2024 6:27:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DesertRhino
> For god’s sakes, please stop calling it string “theory”. It’s “String Hypothesis” until there is a repeatable falsifiable experiment proving it. A dry erase board is not an experiment.

THIS ^^^

32 posted on 06/26/2024 6:28:31 AM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: I want the USA back

The distance to Pluto varies due to its elliptical orbit from 4.4 to 7.5 billion kilometers................


33 posted on 06/26/2024 6:28:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

34 posted on 06/26/2024 6:29:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: fwdude
I’m more intrigued by the irrational constant “e.”

I like them most multiplied:

pi(e)
35 posted on 06/26/2024 6:34:12 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: Red Badger
> "AFTER 4,000 YEARS, PI IS STILL A MYSTERY"

HORSE POOP. It's only a "mystery" to people who don't understand the concept of an irrational number.

Clickbait, unfortunately.

36 posted on 06/26/2024 6:37:52 AM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: gundog
I thought I heard that NASA did a lot of their computations in base 12 math, in which pi is a rational number.

Pi is not a rational number in any integral base. If it was rational in a particular base, then it would be represented as the quotient of two integers in that base. Converting both integers to base 10, we would have a representation of pi as a rational number (in base 10). But pi is not rational in base 10.

37 posted on 06/26/2024 6:39:52 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt ( )
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To: Red Badger

38 posted on 06/26/2024 6:39:54 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Never Trust A Man Whose Uncle Was Eaten By Cannibals)
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To: Mathews
Was it Dr Sheldon L. Cooper’s work?

”Dewivative dwivel!”

39 posted on 06/26/2024 6:40:13 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Red Badger

I memorized all the digits in Pi, but not the order in which they appear.


40 posted on 06/26/2024 6:40:18 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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