Kremlin says any Trump peace plan for Ukraine would have to reflect reality on the ground

The Kremlin said that any peace plan for Ukraine proposed by a possible future U.S. administration of Donald Trump would have to reflect the reality on the ground but that Russian President Vladimir Putin remained open to talks.

Reuters reported on Tuesday that two key advisers to Trump have presented him with a plan to end the war in Ukraine -- if he wins the presidential election -- that involves telling Ukraine it will only get more U.S. weapons if it enters into peace talks.

"The value of any plan lies in the nuances and in taking into account the real state of affairs on the ground," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Reuters. "We do not know what kind of plan we are talking about, or what is set out in it."

I’m not Ukrainian. I care about *my* country more than I do about yours. It’s your responsibility to care about *your* country. But try to do so without demanding *our* money.

Go post about your country on an eastern European site. We are an American, conservative site and FR is Trump country.

Beat it, foreigner.

He did say: But in light of one man's bloody & woefully misguided decision to invade a peaceful, unthreatening neighbor the song is once again, a plea for humanity.

His information is woefully misguided, as well as, wrong. As the saying goes to the road to Hades is paved with good intentions.

But I never said he refuted it. I presented it only as what dfgator might have been referring to. The song is for those who may have never heard it before.

As for the song, he only mentions I hope the Russians love their children too. But he did manage to include a swipe against Reagan. If it weren't for Boris Johnson this war would have ended almost as soon as it had started. Perhaps he has since renounced his song as being totally off base with reality, I don't know. Only dfgater can say if this is what he was referring to or is there something else out there that the search I did, did not turn that story.

As usual, you yonka-blonkas can’t stop addressing someone who tells you to stop. You’re all pests that way.

So, as much as I despise Biden supporters, I will allow you to have the last word, if that’s what it takes to get you to stop yonka-blonka-ing your corrupt leftist drivel at me.

So go ahead and spew your Biden-Zelensky-leftist cr@p one more time. I probably won’t read it (I didn’t read your last two posts; I’ve heard all of the Ukrainian nonsense I need to hear), but have at it.

And while you’re coming up with your eastern European-accented reply, read Jim’s last paragraph here. Then go away.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4166577/posts

(P.S. Trump will end the war. Doesn’t that just piss you off? 😂)

The clear aggressors have been us, specially UNDER DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTS BIDEN AND OBAMA.

And, the players were the same in both administrations -- Victoria Nuland and Antony Blinken.

You're the one defending horrible decisions by Democrat administrations.

The incentives to both party’s to the conflict simply state, and I quote words to the effect: Both sides will sit down while in a state of hostilities and engage in peace talks.

No conditons on stopping the fighting are mentioned.

Ukraine is at a decided disadvantage in this format if they choose to talk, or fight.

Russia will immediately begin talks with the Ukrainians, but the fighting will continue.

This is the reality.

Why: Ukraine and the DNC worked to Impeach Trump. He owes them nothing more than continued support until as such time as they refuse to talk.

Ukraine will find it in it’s best interst to conclude negotiations quickly. Russia will now prepare their war planning for this eventuality, and should Trump win, they have ample time to continue hammering away at the military formations to achieve their goals of demilitarization and deNazification. Once the date and time of the peace negotiations start both sides will state their positions. The fighting will rage on at an accelerated pace. The Russian will tell Ukraine they want permanent neutrality never to join NATO, but go join the EU. Russia will keep all lands they occupy - this is the reality of war, to the victor go the spoils. Ukraine will state they will never agree so Trump lessens support for Ukraine and Russia kicks their NAZI idealogy further and further away from their borders.

The Maiden coup occurred while Obama was in office with his administration's blessing. The Ukrainians were about to launch an offensive against the people of Donetsk and Lugansk was given a go-ahead when Biden took office.

Tha't a lot of BS!

And, yeah, a lot of what happened and is happening with Ukraine is the fault of the Obama and Biden administrations. Both should be impeached or indicted, and put in prison for the rest of their days.

But,the desire by Putin and the Kremlin predates Obama and Biden. Putin has always wanted to reconstitute the Soviet Union, and Obama and Putin allowed or helped Putin to get started on his mission. Even under Trump, Putin was looking for a way to go after the former states of he Soviet Union. Everyone of the former states of the Soviet Union are threatened, and a bunch of them felt so threatened that they decided to join NATO. And even nations that were 'neutral' before the Ukraine invasion felt so threatened that, they too joined NATO.

Putin waited for the right time to go after Ukraine, and Biden presented the right opportunity. No doubt Putin was going after other countries after Ukraine, but Putin met with resistance he didn't expect, especially from Biden. Biden is only helping Ukraine now because, he disastrously left Afghanistan and didn't want a second Afghanistan on his watch. But, Biden still needs to be impeached for creating all kinds of disasters, both at home and abroad. In a way, Ukraine is a beneficiary of Biden's debacle in Afghanistan.

Corruption in Ukraine needs to be dealt with, but after Russia is kicked out. Meanwhile, we need to keep aiding the people of Ukraine in getting rid of an unwelcome invader.

But,the desire by Putin and the Kremlin predates Obama and Biden.

It was Putin or the Russians that fomented an illegal coup in 2014 that setoff a civil war. That was us that did that. A President was illegally driven out of office, one those in Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea voted for. Those regions had no obligation to be part of an illegally-formed Ukrainian nationalist government that sought to persecute and kill them.

We were the ones that promised in the early 1990s, no eastward expansion of NATO. We went on to expand to the Russian border and tease NATO membership for Ukraine, despite the fact the Ukraine had promised to remain a neutral country.

We trained, funded and armed a 600,000 man Ukrainian army. If Russia or China had done that in Mexico after installing a puppet government, we'd invade.

Trump was absolutely correct when he said this:

Washington: Former President Donald Trump said in an interview with the All-In podcast that the possibility of NATO expanding to Russia’s border has always been understood to be off the table and such rhetoric now is provocative.

“They don’t want to have it, it’s always been understood, and that’s even before Putin,” Trump said in the podcast that aired on Thursday. “It’s always been understood that was a no-no… that was very provocative, and now it’s even more provocative.”

Trump said that it’s understandable that Russia would be bothered by NATO troops on its border, adding that NATO’s eastward expansion is a key reason for the conflict and that President Biden’s rhetoric about envisioning Ukraine eventually joining NATO is even more provocative.

“Biden was saying all of the wrong things and one of the wrong things he was saying: ‘Ukraine will go into NATO,’…Biden, he was saying the opposite of what in my opinion you had to say…and he’s still saying it,” Trump said.

Putin waited for the right time to go after Ukraine

That's absurd.

The Russians came to us with their security concerns in December of 2021, trying to AVOID this war.

The Russians and Ukrainians had a peace deal in place in Turkey in 2022 because Boris Johnson (and, no doubt, the Biden regime) killed it. That was confirmed by former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett.

You're narrative is a lie and has pushed us into a failed proxy war with Russia that could lead to WW III or nuclear war.

You're narrative is a lie and has pushed us into a failed proxy war with Russia that could lead to WW III or nuclear war.

You're using Putin's talking points. Always threatening use of nukes, and then people like you extrapolating his talking into a world war. Nonsense! Putin knows that he and Russia would lose very badly any extended war, and though he is radical and ambitious, he's not going to take Russia into a suicidal mission.
Putin is the one that started the war and Putin was always going after Ukraine and the surrounding former Soviet states. Stop encouraging Putin, unless you're here to give him a big assist.

No, you're repeating Biden regime and Deep State talking points. Both lie about everything, including this war.

It's a FACT that we helped foment an illegal coup in Ukraine, installed a puppet government hostile to Moscow and the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine.

It's a FACT that we promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO.

It's a FACT that Russians repeatedly tried to prevent this war -- through the Minsk Accords, by coming to us with their security concerns in 12/21 and in Turkey in March of 2022. At every time, WE and/or other NATO leaders rejected peace.

It's a FACT that we promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO.

It's a FACT that Russians repeatedly tried to prevent this war

Your 'facts' are made up, iow: not facts at all, which means that your facts are nothing but LIES.

Putin would always LIE about NATO expanding to Russia's borders, and what happened is that countries in Europe joined NATO to protect against Russian aggression. Countries have the right to join NATO regardless of how much Putin doesn't like it or YOU don't like it.

And, no matter how much Putin protests NATO expansion, FACT is that, there would ALWAYS be a NATO country on Russia's border. Even after taking Ukraine, there would be a NATO country along Ukraine's borders, and Russia would be protesting NATO expansion to newly acquired Russian territory in Ukraine. Use LOGIC man, and NEVER, EVER believe Putin's or the Kremlin's lies. Remember that, should NEVER deal with a terrorist nation (which Russia clearly is), and one can never deal with a dictator. No dictator's words can ever be believed. Use common sense and you won't get into a fist-fight defending somebody who holds absolute power, like a despot.

And, no matter how much Putin protests NATO expansion, FACT is that, there would ALWAYS be a NATO country on Russia's border

He's got EVERY to complain given this:

Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).

And, Trump AGREES:

Use LOGIC man, and NEVER, EVER believe Putin's or the Kremlin's lies.

I apply that logic to Biden regime and Deep State. Both lie routinely and totally corrupt.

The war in Ukraine is 100% of our meddling in that country.

Globalism and neocon foreign policy must die in order for an American First foreign policy to replace it.

The globalist elite are far more the enemy to the people of this country than Russia is.

I apply that logic to Biden regime and Deep State. Both lie routinely and totally corrupt.

Fine. Do that. I agree with you there.

The war in Ukraine is 100% of our meddling in that country.

The meddling in Ukraine and in Europe and in Russia and in China and in Iran and virtually everywhere, has been ongoing since time immemorial. That meddling has occurred under democrat and republican administrations. It's not new and won't stop, no matter who is elected.

And, when it comes to meddling, no country does more of it than Russia, which is why OUR MEDDLING is necessary. Putin can't be believed and can't be negotiated with. Ukraine needs to be defended, no matter what transpired before.

Trump won’t abandon Ukraine. Trump won’t abandon NATO. Trump won’t trust Putin. Putin will always complain about NATO, and he’ll always complain about U.S. involvement anywhere that Russia has any kind of influence or interest.

I prefer to trust the U.S. in dealing with Russia, and nobody should ever trust Russia and Putin with any deals, and complaints by Putin are made with the goals of eventually forming excuses for justifying their aggressive policies. The NATO complaints are part of the justifications for going into Ukraine.

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