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To: Kazan
It's a FACT that we promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO.

It's a FACT that Russians repeatedly tried to prevent this war


Your 'facts' are made up, iow: not facts at all, which means that your facts are nothing but LIES.

Putin would always LIE about NATO expanding to Russia's borders, and what happened is that countries in Europe joined NATO to protect against Russian aggression. Countries have the right to join NATO regardless of how much Putin doesn't like it or YOU don't like it.

And, no matter how much Putin protests NATO expansion, FACT is that, there would ALWAYS be a NATO country on Russia's border. Even after taking Ukraine, there would be a NATO country along Ukraine's borders, and Russia would be protesting NATO expansion to newly acquired Russian territory in Ukraine. Use LOGIC man, and NEVER, EVER believe Putin's or the Kremlin's lies. Remember that, should NEVER deal with a terrorist nation (which Russia clearly is), and one can never deal with a dictator. No dictator's words can ever be believed. Use common sense and you won't get into a fist-fight defending somebody who holds absolute power, like a despot.
75 posted on 06/26/2024 10:19:58 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: adorno
And, no matter how much Putin protests NATO expansion, FACT is that, there would ALWAYS be a NATO country on Russia's border

He's got EVERY to complain given this:

Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).

And, Trump AGREES:

Washington: Former President Donald Trump said in an interview with the All-In podcast that the possibility of NATO expanding to Russia’s border has always been understood to be off the table and such rhetoric now is provocative.

“They don’t want to have it, it’s always been understood, and that’s even before Putin,” Trump said in the podcast that aired on Thursday. “It’s always been understood that was a no-no… that was very provocative, and now it’s even more provocative.”

Trump said that it’s understandable that Russia would be bothered by NATO troops on its border, adding that NATO’s eastward expansion is a key reason for the conflict and that President Biden’s rhetoric about envisioning Ukraine eventually joining NATO is even more provocative.

“Biden was saying all of the wrong things and one of the wrong things he was saying: ‘Ukraine will go into NATO,’…Biden, he was saying the opposite of what in my opinion you had to say…and he’s still saying it,” Trump said.

76 posted on 06/26/2024 1:20:01 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: adorno
Use LOGIC man, and NEVER, EVER believe Putin's or the Kremlin's lies.

I apply that logic to Biden regime and Deep State. Both lie routinely and totally corrupt.

The war in Ukraine is 100% of our meddling in that country.

Globalism and neocon foreign policy must die in order for an American First foreign policy to replace it.

The globalist elite are far more the enemy to the people of this country than Russia is.

77 posted on 06/26/2024 1:28:07 PM PDT by Kazan
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