Posted on 06/20/2024 2:49:20 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Ukraine DESTROYS 3 Major Russian Oil Facilities; Putin LASHES Out | Breaking News With The Enforcer The Enforcer Jun 20, 2024 4:00 p.m. EDT 11:21 Minutes
Today, we learn that Ukraine hit three oil depot/refineries in Russia overnight. Ukrainian attack drones successfully struck a Russian Lukoil oil depot in Krasnodar Krai this morning, setting the facility ablaze.
We also learn that South Korea has begun considering sending arms and military aid to Ukraine in an unprecedented move. As a result of North Korea's new defensive pact, the South Koreans are becoming concerned of the possibility of war breaking out on the Korean Peninsula.
We have also heard that Russia is considering changing its nuclear doctrine from defensive to a "first-strike" doctrine. Putin continues to escalate the war in Ukraine as tensions continue to rise around the world.
Excellent analogy. 😏
Yeah,
Must be all that Russian propaganda.
Propaganda = anything you don’t like.
“I suspect the Neocon definition of a “Major Oil Facility” is a gas station that’s open for 24 hours a day.”
Buc-ee’s
“How about asking Mommy, MeganC and the others about their choice names for people who are against sending billions of unaccounted-for tax payer dollars to fight yet another proxy war with Russia in Ukraine,”
Right on. The slime is just as bad from the Ukraine side. Last year I was accused of being in favor and supporting war crimes because I want us to stay out of it and sponsor peace negotiations. There are some vicious people here.
“Buc-ee’s”
My comment was supposed to be sarcastic...but perhaps it wasn’t?
So z is on the front lines??? “...fighting for his country...”??? I don’t think so.
Oh yeah, I’ve gotten the same preposterous accusation. Zeepers can be a nasty lot. And more annoying is that they’re driven by their emotions, not logic. You can’t have reasonable discussions with them, so I just laugh at ‘em.
kiryandil: "OK, that's a lie."
It's only "a lie" if you deny the following amount to "escalation":
Old US tactical "Atomic Annie",
circa 1960:
But, if these are not "escalation", then what, exactly, in your mind is?
Using a pejorative is no argument.
Using a pejorative that applies to oneself, while we mass censor (40 Russian media outlets, their government sites) and our social media mass censors, skewing everything in one way, is truly ironic.
What do you think all these stories about Russian casualties really are?
What do you think all these stories about our wonder weapons are?
What do you think all these stories about some Ghost of Kiev, battle for Snake Island, a 9 year old girl sucking on a lollipop with blue and yellow ribbons in her hair holding a shotgun, are?
Why are nazi groups able to post on our social media suddenly, if they are fighting for Ukraine?
You talking about Russian “propaganda” while it is being censored and you’re getting blasted with ghost writers from Ukraine writing in the US MSM, un fact checked junk being published, government statements from Ukraine being published without any scrutiny while avoiding certain stories, is truly astonishing.
Tell me, how many stories do you read in your non-propagandist Western media about 214 dead American mercenaries, the massive use of mercenaries we pay for with our tax dollars, Ukrainian casualties, the failure of the counter-offensive, Mr. Z being a defacto dictator today, the imprisonment and death of western journalist caught in Ukraine that were willing to write a story derogatory about this war, Ukrainian sponsored terrorism in Russia (Moscow Concert Hall, St Petersburg bar, Daria Dugina...), how we trained and equipped (and are doing it again) neo-Nazi groups like the infamous Azov because they are willing to fight?
Define “propaganda” for me?
They're good little fascists, labeling everyone they don't agree with as Russian trolls, Putin supporters, etc. Those fools mention Russia and Putin on these threads far more than any of us ever do, yet we're the Putin lovers.
It’s possible.
At the time of the leak, the Ukraine still enjoyed an advantage, and of all the numbers floating out there, those are about the only ones I would trust.
But yes, since then the margin has likely narrowed:
1) Russia being somewhat disorganized in the beginning has pulled their head from their ass, or so it appears.
2) Russia has adopted some of their tactics and modified as well as added new equipment to counter the threat of some of systems we have provided. For example, Excalibur (GPS guided) artillery is no longer as effective, some of our drones are less effective against their armor, many of the drones are simply being destroyed...
3) The Ukrainians had a flop of a counter offensive in 2023 which was very costly to them.
I am fairly sure that Ukraine’s 2023 pre-counter offensive advantage of 1.52-1.7:1 margin in casualties is less today.
Even so, Russia enjoys a 3.5:1 population and military aged males advantage and what that means is obvious in a war of attrition. This is also corroborated by how Russia is mobilizing (reserves, prior service, offering contracts with bonuses) vs. Ukraine’s TCC that is doing snatch and grab operations in broad daylight to find men, wrestling them into vans to haul off.
Who made that decision? The Russians spent all of 2023 building trenches. And that changed the war into their favor.
No, it's true because it's true.
We provoked the entire conflict, because it was our desire to hold a proxy war in Ukraine with Ukrainians being the fighters. They mistakenly believed they could put the economic screws to Russia, but the screws are being applied to us. Not only has Saudi Arabia refused to renew the petrol dollar agreement. BRICS is gathering steam and gaining momentum.
The U.S. dollar has been significantly compromised and is now truly a fiat currency. There is nothing backing it up at all, while BRICS is trying to create a currency that is gold backed, and many nations are climbing aboard the BRICS bandwagon.
Even the IMF is now chastising the U.S. for being so financially irresponsible & delinquent. Time to start seeing that the reason we are in perpetual never-ending wars, is because the military industrial complex is an ideal way to fleece the national treasury. It's been used to enrich a lot of Democrats, as well as, RINOs.
That’s why Russia is doing this:
Of course they always have subs right off our shore, but this is them poking us in the eye, publicly demonstrating the problem.
If it’s good for us, it’s good for them.
Russia simply does not want our missiles, missile defense, fighters, tanks, bombers, troops, on their border, no differently than we do not want their troops on our border, China doesn’t want our troops on their border and we don’t want their troops on our border.
***No Major power wants the military of another playing on their border: China, US, Russia.
The hypocrisy of our actions would be funny were it not for the consequences it has caused. We simply hide behind some BS notion of Ukrainian national sovereignty (used only when convenient) to justify our actions.
There was no reason for this and we took it to far: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/
We had to have known this would cause a war:
1. Russia went into Georgia when we tried expanding NATO there in 2008. Russia went into Ukraine when we tried expanding NATO in 2014. Russia very clearly stated their disapproval with our actions in 2004 regards NATO expansion into Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia.
2. Russia has repeatedly, publicly, stated that this is a “red line” for them.
3. Anyone with even the most basic tactical knowledge would see that Ukraine in NATO would be a disaster for Russia. It would tip the entire nuclear deterrence scale to our advantage: first strike (no reaction time for Russia - 6 minutes time of flight to Moscow with a modern hyper-sonic) and ability to intercept their missiles (most are based in their South-West). Huge maneuver corridors, many deep water ports and large air fields. Same rail gauge and direct road connection with Russia. Easy logistics via land through Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania (all NATO members). A large country with a big economy and massive infrastructure capable of basing a large foreign force indefinitely (like Germany). Big cities and forested areas where it’s easy to hide things.
4. This is Biden in 1997 regards NATO expansion into the Balkans: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5009529/user-clip-biden-1997-nato-expansion He knows this is a Russian security issue which they take extremely seriously.
Even the naive senior civil servant appointee will get intel briefs, see the Russian build up via imagery, signal, human intelligence. There is just no possible way that this was an accident or surprise, but you just can’t prove it.
***IMHO, while you cannot prove this now, our actions were so ridiculous, so over the top, that it almost appears like we wanted this war.
You more or less have some folks in government admitting to this in a round about way (framing it differently and using different verbiage), example Lindsey Graham.
Imagine this scenario: The US and Russia have been in a struggle over who has control over several major oil producing nations, i.e. Libya, Venezuela, Iraq and Syria where we have been invading the Russian sphere of influence (all Russian allies or aligned).
If Russia gets tangled up in a major conflict, that makes it more difficult for them to project force as their military, intel services, and logistical capabilities are tied up in this conflict.
With Ukraine you have the Europeans flipping 1/2 of the bill and assuming most of the refugees. The Ukraine is doing near all the bleeding. We are the ones that stand to benefit on the world stage.
As Graham said, “it’s a bargain, the best money we’ve ever spent.” https://www.facebook.com/USSenateDemocrats/videos/republican-senator-lindsey-graham-called-support-for-ukraine-the-best-money-weve/1109326037156941/
I was referring to us using the term “unprovoked” to describe the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Of course it was “provoked” by us.
—We basically installed a BS government in Ukraine after we sponsored a revolt and over threw a government (Maiden).
—We withdrew from the Ballistic Missile Treaty, which has serious ramifications if Ukraine is in NATO.
—We were in violation of Minsk and were arming, training, folks in Ukraine using foreign forces we had in Ukraine. We were allowing mercenaries to flow into Ukraine and more or less paying for these!
—We continuously try to violate Montreux (but the Turks don’t let us).
—We lied about NATO East expansion and then pretend like we didn’t lie.
Yet we keep repeating this narrative of Ukraine having been attacked without provocation.
Listen to this guy, he’s outright funny: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Lloyd-J.-Austin-III-on-Putin.mp4?_=1
—How long have we been in Iraq? 21 years, and we invaded under false pretenses and have been asked to leave about 20 times... and here we are talking about “illegally occupied Ukraine.”
—He of course uses the term “no provocation” and “unprovoked” regards Russia invading Ukraine.
—He uses the terms “annex, sovereign,” talks about “behavior we don’t want to see” (because we decide what is right and wrong), “erase borders, unjust, illegal, invasion.” Literally, all you have is a bunch of slogans strung together. Not one argument is made. Using emotionally laden words, this appeals to feelings but is a non-argument. He should have been laughed off the stage. I would have laughed at my kids if they were to try to argue like this when 12 years old.
Pure speculation on my part:
***This idea of an offense in 2023 was probably more driven by the political forces than the actual military commanders.***
Ukraine was under pressure to show results, to show that they are indeed winning and that all this Western aid is accomplishing something.
So, instead of solidifying/hardening a defense they went on the offense, burned up a lot of troops and material, and accomplished little, and most of which was accomplished was soon lost after the offensive ended.
Mr Z, though always in olive drab and combat boots, is no military man. He is a comedian (actor), a political puppet (put in power by us and entirely dependent on us for his survival).
But as said, pure speculation.
Sounds like to me that Ukraine was forced to do the counteroffensive, otherwise the West will cut them off. Which will lead to Russia winning the war.
We withdrew from the Ballistic Missile Treaty, which has serious ramifications if Ukraine is in NATO.
Yeah, G. W. Bush is no friend of this nation either. He like his father were both all in on the One World Government run by what they perceive themselves as being, the Gods amongst men.
We continuously try to violate Montreux (but the Turks don’t let us).
Why would we do that as it guarantees safe passage during peacetime? I can't really say I am familiar with that. I know about the Montreux Convention, but not how we try to violate it. Tell me more. I'm interested.
Lloyd Austin is worthless, and on top of that he is destroying our military.
I completely agree with everything you have said. I must have had a mental lapse in how exactly you were using that word, even though I clearly see it for how it was meant. Putin was without question provoked. Not even sure why I misread why I misread what you had said. I had even gone back to the post you were relying to McGruff, and I agreed with his post, and he hadn't even said the word unprovoked.
So, perhaps that is what threw me off. But I can see you are a person who is on the right side of this argument, and that you realize what a colossal mistake it was for us to do what we did. I sincerely apologize for misreading that. Must be having a senior moment. 😋
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