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The Crash that CHANGED Aviation Forever (With Real Audio)
You Tube ^ | May 30, 2024 | TheFlightChannel

Posted on 06/05/2024 8:41:55 AM PDT by Red Badger

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While flying between New Jersey and New York the Q400 operating as flight 3407 enters an aerodynamic stall and crashes into a house in Clarence Center, New York. Families of the victims lobbied the U.S. Congress to enact more stringent regulations for regional carriers and to improve the scrutiny of safe operating procedures and the working conditions of pilots. As a result, the FAA required some of these regulation changes. Seven years later, an ATR 42-500 operating as flight 661 also stalls in the sky, and the aircraft nosedives into the mountain. Find out what really happened.

16:00 VIDEO @ LINK..................


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Travel; Weather
KEYWORDS: 20090212; 201612; 20161207; 20161w; atr42500; aviation; clarencecenter; flight3407; flight661; flying; isolatedincidents; learntopost; newjersey; newyork; q400; travel

1 posted on 06/05/2024 8:41:55 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; 2ndDivisionVet; 2sheds; 60Gunner; 6AL-4V; A.A. Cunningham; ...

Aviation Ping!.......................


2 posted on 06/05/2024 8:42:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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“... a conversation started moments earlier that is not related to their flying duties”

During descent and approach? That’s a big no no.

Why do I always seem to see pilots pull the nose up when going into a stall??? Yes, he powered up on the throttles, but he should have nosed down a little or kept it level after throttling up and confirmed air speed first. Your problem is never altitude in a stall unless you are very close to the ground and you don’t want to wait to confirm you’ve got the airspeed to lift nose. If he would have just not panicked and kept it level or nose slightly down he probably would have avoided all the issues with engine thrust imbalances and especially the autopilot correcting the pitch.


3 posted on 06/05/2024 9:12:11 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: z3n

(Why do I always seem to see pilots pull the nose up when going into a stall???)

A few have.

Like the copilot on Air France 447.

Without proper airflow over the wings, an aircraft cannot possibly fly.

Unless it’s an F-15 that can stand on its tail and accelerate straight up.


4 posted on 06/05/2024 9:20:47 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris

How many hours to to trainee’s have to hand fly airplanes when they are in school?

I watch Air Disasters and I have seen at least a half a dozen times where pilots pitched up right after a stick shaker. The instinct should be the exact opposite.

I would rather have a pilot with military pilot experience in any plane I’m flying in. It may not be as true as it used to be because a lot of military aircraft are heavily automated now too, but I believe they get a lot more training with manual control


5 posted on 06/05/2024 9:27:40 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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I was on a commercial flight going over some southern city we were supposed to land in one August afternoon. The clouds were white, dense and way above us The pilot was QqqqUIettt!!

The engines were as quiet as the pilot. As the wings rocked, my fellow passengers acted like we were in turbulence. I had my insurance policies running through my head then went into prayer mode.

The pilot came back on after the engines to announce we’d be landing instead in the next city (my destination) but that they’d get us back to the original stop asap

Once on the tarmac I asked him personally to let me off, as he recounted his feat to a sandbagged. The attendants glared at me to kill. But he had them get a van and a ladder for me

He was the hero And I updated my will soon after


6 posted on 06/05/2024 9:29:59 AM PDT by stanne
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To: z3n

(where pilots pitched up right after a stick shaker. The instinct should be the exact opposite)

Absolutely


7 posted on 06/05/2024 9:30:35 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Red Badger

PSA 182 is the crash that sticks with me, it had a deep emotional effect on San Diego with the body parts raining down on homes.


8 posted on 06/05/2024 11:19:28 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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