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Homo Sapiens Arriving in Northern Europe Over 45,000 Years Ago Encountered This Enigmatic Human Species
The Debrief ^ | February 1, 2024 | Christopher Plain

Posted on 02/05/2024 4:42:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv

"The Ranis cave site provides evidence for the first dispersal of Homo sapiens across the higher latitudes of Europe. It turns out that stone artifacts that were thought to be produced by Neanderthals were, in fact, part of the early Homo sapiens toolkit," said Jean-Jacque Hublin, a professor at the Collège de France in Paris and the former director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology where Zavala first began this work. "This fundamentally changes our previous knowledge about the period: Homo sapiens reached northwestern Europe long before Neanderthal disappearance in southwestern Europe."

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; ancientdna; godsgravesglyphs; museomics; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; ranis
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To: roving

Read your bible and count the begats.


21 posted on 02/05/2024 8:07:51 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: MayflowerMadam
I’m thinking more like 8,000.


22 posted on 02/05/2024 8:39:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: Taxman

ping


23 posted on 02/05/2024 9:42:06 PM PST by Taxman ((SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2024! SAVE AMERICA!))
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To: TigersEye

Funny.


24 posted on 02/06/2024 1:44:35 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ("A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant tastes of death but once.")
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To: Disambiguator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi1kMSHmD8g&t=177


25 posted on 02/06/2024 6:29:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: roving

There is tree ring data going back 13K years.

If you are going to pick a young earth age, it must be at least that old.

....unless you want to also challenge the fact that trees grow a new ring each year.


26 posted on 02/06/2024 7:54:08 AM PST by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

They were descended from Africans and they were black. White people didn’t move into Europe until the Holocene.


27 posted on 02/06/2024 8:30:35 AM PST by Varda
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To: roving

That splitting headache you wake up to each morning, the pain must be unbearable.


28 posted on 02/06/2024 8:40:38 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: Varda

The out-of-Africa humans went to the ME, China, etc-much closer-didn’t get to Europe for awhile.

There is not much evidence of a huge difference in the color of early humans from anywhere, other than it was related to the climate conditions where they came from/moved to-more sun-more pigmentation, less sun, pale skin. And people didn’t seem to move very far in glacial periods-if that is racist, then there are a lot of REAL science deniers out there...


29 posted on 02/06/2024 1:33:51 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to sadldle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...")
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To: Texan5
That's whats so interesting about this study. They apparently did get to Europe pretty early.
“These human remains are among the earliest directly dated Upper Palaeolithic H. sapiens remains in Eurasia.” https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1211082109

Skin color is determined by genetics some think driven by diet. Maybe every modern human was dark skinned until the agricultural transition. Mesolithic European DNA has been sequenced from several finds and it is related to Paleolithic European DNA. Nobody looks like those people anymore. They were dark skinned and blue eyes. The dark skin in Europeans held on for a long time. Otzi (ice mummy) was recently resequenced and found to have darker skin than present Europeans.

30 posted on 02/06/2024 2:51:40 PM PST by Varda
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To: Varda

There are still a very few people with darker skin and blue or gray eyes in Wales or whose ancestors came from there, according to my Brit neighbor. I worked with one back in the early 90’s-a woman whose mother was Welsh-she had black hair blue eyes and skin a bit darker then my light olive color. That coloring certainly gets your attention.

I have dark red hair and green eyes, as do several of my cousins and an uncle. Most family members have black or dark brown hair and green or brown eyes. We all have varying shades of skin from light to dark olive-but we are Hispanic-ancestors were Basques from the Pyrenees and that coloring is not all that uncommon in Spain and Mexico, even 500 years after those people came over here-it is nowhere as attention-getting as the Welsh coloring...


31 posted on 02/06/2024 3:37:38 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to sadldle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...")
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To: Texan5
I've never seen a European that looks like this Mesolithic man from England. The genes showed he had similar skin characteristics to sub-Saharan Africans.

32 posted on 02/06/2024 3:58:22 PM PST by Varda
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To: SunkenCiv
Are We The Last Neanderthals?
33 posted on 02/06/2024 5:09:21 PM PST by blam
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To: Varda
The gene mutation for blue eyes in humans occurred only once...everyone on earth who has blue eyes can trace them to that one event 7-10,000 years ago.

All Blue Eyes Descend From A Single Common Ancestor 10,000 Years Ago, Researchers Claim

34 posted on 02/06/2024 5:19:11 PM PST by blam
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To: Varda

The woman I worked with was almost that color-same rosy hue, too. But her hair was black-not brown.

Those portraits of ancient people based on remains and DNA info are really fascinating-and that guy looks like some people from the modern-day ME-or Algeria, which would be consistent with the evidence of an Africa-to-Asia-to Eurasia/Europe migration path whenever there were favorable travel conditions with less ice.

I do have a few family members with skin almost that shade, but brown or green eyes-no blue-probably was a Moor or two in the family woodpile-not unusual for Spain after the Islamic invasions-they were everywhere. there is also a fair amount of Native American DNA in that woodpile-typical for Hispanics in the new world-but their skin is a bit more golden brown-less rosy. That skin color is lovely-still looks ME/Arab to me...


35 posted on 02/06/2024 6:23:46 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to sadldle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...")
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