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Oregon first in US to allow law students to become lawyers through apprenticeships, not bar exam
Oregonian ^ | 11/14/2023 | Zane Sparling

Posted on 11/14/2023 9:56:51 AM PST by Pol-92064

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To: Pol-92064

So they’re admitting minorities can’t pass a test?


21 posted on 11/14/2023 10:12:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Pol-92064

My money is that Soros is funding this effort.

Law, when practiced by ignorance, is subjective and ale to be directed.


22 posted on 11/14/2023 10:12:32 AM PST by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Yo-Yo

I doubt they look like that guy


23 posted on 11/14/2023 10:13:08 AM PST by albie
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To: Pol-92064

Abe Lincoln became a lawyer without a Bar exam.

Some of the best craftsmen never went to school for their craft

The worst journalists are typically graduates of Journalism schools

I’d hire a a lawyer with more personal experience than one fresh off the Bar exam, but he/she would have to have a long and successful resume’


24 posted on 11/14/2023 10:13:14 AM PST by Afterguard
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To: Pol-92064

Negro.


25 posted on 11/14/2023 10:13:40 AM PST by EEGator
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To: TexasFreeper2009
As far as lawyers having low standards go, call me unimpressed with the ones I've had. When I was going through an ugly divorce and custody battle I hired a lawyer ... but eventually fired him for charging me a lot without doing anything. So I hired another one and went broke paying him but still not getting much ROI.

Thus, I learned how to represent myself in court ("pro se" in legal-eeze) and won custody ... as a man ... with no legal training. As always, God deserves the most credit. The people who deserve exactly zero credit were the lawyers.

Then I read this article that assumes there are supposedly high standards to be a lawyer. LOL

26 posted on 11/14/2023 10:14:10 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Pol-92064

Oregon is now Ignoragon.


27 posted on 11/14/2023 10:14:25 AM PST by Ignatz (Winner of a prestigious 1960 Y-chromosome award!)
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To: Yo-Yo
How about passing the Bar exam without going to law school?

Well that's how it used to be: Just pass the exam we don't care how you could do it. The dirty truth is that American law schools don't teach their students what they need to know to pass the bar exam in their state, or their state's laws. The ABA has a monopoly in the U.S. on certifying law schools, and thus lawyers, but because they have a monopoly, students waste tens of thousands of dollars on ABA sophism. I would prefer a system more like the U.K. Let students get a bachelor of laws to become paralegals or solicitors, but require a higher degree to bring cases in the courts. It would make for a better legal system and legal profession.
28 posted on 11/14/2023 10:14:45 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Pol-92064

Those people always signed as character references and as to their experience acquired...just like my license. But the test was General Knowledge of the Profession...It knocked out half the group.


29 posted on 11/14/2023 10:15:29 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Pol-92064

Abe Lincoln became a lawyer without a Bar exam.

Some of the best craftsmen never went to school for their craft

The worst journalists are typically graduates of Journalism schools

I’d hire a a lawyer with more personal experience than one fresh off the Bar exam, but he/she would have to have a long and successful resume’


30 posted on 11/14/2023 10:15:38 AM PST by Afterguard
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To: Pol-92064

I’ve read somewhere (on the net) that passing the bar is a a physical thing. It means being able to pass by and stand in front of the bar in court. So anyone who doesn’t pass the exam, doesn’t get to pass the physical bar and act like a lawyer. It’s a bit a play on words.
These Oregon doofooses will be barless lawyers. fake fake fake! Cracker Jack box lawyers.


31 posted on 11/14/2023 10:15:49 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop ( ~~ TRUMP is right about EVERYTHING ! ~~ )
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To: Afterguard

This has nothing to do with your outlier examples.
This is for dimwitted blacks.


32 posted on 11/14/2023 10:16:15 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Pol-92064

CA has a program for becoming a lawyer through apprenticeship with an attorney, in lieu of law school. But you still take the Bar Exam. Maybe a dozen people do it every year.


33 posted on 11/14/2023 10:16:20 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Pol-92064

Ghetto don’t study. Or read.


34 posted on 11/14/2023 10:16:52 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie. )
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To: All

Not a bad idea in theory
But it probably won’t be implemented very well


35 posted on 11/14/2023 10:17:21 AM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: DesertRhino

“Reading for the law used to be a very accepted practice. But if it’s coming from Oregon, it’ll be done wrong, and for the wrong reasons. The bar is actually a cartel.”

In the late ‘80’s I decided to change careers. I figured I could get a PhD in corporate psychology. I was working as an engineer. My plan was to quit work and apply myself fulltime. I figured I could do the whole program in 18 months. It would take a few years to make up the money I’d both lost by not working and spent on the degree. My sister knew someone who had just graduated from the program and put me in touch with him. He said, “Sure you could do the work, but you won’t get the degree until your major professor says you do. You will work as an indentured servant, writing his papers, grading his course work and sometimes picking up his laundry or taking his car to the garage. It will take you seven years because that’s how long it took him.” I suspect that working for a lawyer to become a lawyer will be much same.


36 posted on 11/14/2023 10:17:21 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: FatherofFive
"Become an engineer by playing with an erector set. A MD by riding in an EMS vehicle. There is a reason folks display their Diplomas on the wall."

Or air traffic controllers based solely on LACK of aptitude, thanks to Obama. And we're seeing the results now:

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The FAA now uses a “biographical questionnaire” to screen applicants, which is apparently intended to increase the number of minorities who qualify for the jobs. What the questionaire scoring system rewards and penalizes is, as Carlson put it, “shocking.”

The questionnaire favors applicants who performed poorly in science class in high school and have not held a job for three years before applying to the FAA, Carlson said. (“Apparently, unemployed people make the best air traffic controllers,” he added. “This is demented, by the way, but it’s real.”)

By contrast, he said, the test does not award high points for actual pilots or those with air traffic control experience.

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https://www.westernjournal.com/obama-faa-diversity-over-safety/

37 posted on 11/14/2023 10:17:44 AM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists)
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To: Pol-92064

Maybe they should do something similar with engineers. We’d get guys out of college who couldn’t turn on an oscilloscope. They could crunch numbers with the best of them though.


38 posted on 11/14/2023 10:19:05 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Pol-92064
Apprenticeship is actually a superior method of mastering a trade or profession. Passing a test that you cram for is far inferior.

I remember during the 1990s and early 2000s when getting your MCSE certifcation (Microsoft Engineer) was all the rage. People who had little or no practical experience with networks or computers were cramming for the exams so they could put the Microsoft logo on the bottom of their business cards and the certification on their resumes.

We used to call them "paper MCSE's".

39 posted on 11/14/2023 10:19:46 AM PST by SamAdams76 (6,390,901 Truth | 86,874,940 Twitter)
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To: Pol-92064

Expect a lot more uses of the “Chewbacca Defense” in Oregon.


40 posted on 11/14/2023 10:19:48 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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