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Human and ape ancestors arose in Europe, not in Africa, controversial study claims
Live Science ^ | late August 2023 | Charles Q. Choi

Posted on 09/02/2023 9:51:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A newly described fossil suggests that the ancestor of humans and apes arose in Europe, not in Africa...

In the new study, the researchers analyzed a newly identified ape fossil from the 8.7 million-year-old site of Çorakyerler in central Anatolia. They dubbed the species Anadoluvius turkae. "Anadolu" is the modern Turkish word for Anatolia, and "turk" refers to Turkey.

The fossil suggests that A. turkae likely weighed about 110 to 130 pounds (50 to 60 kilograms), or about the weight of a large male chimpanzee.

Based on the fossils of other animals found alongside it — such as giraffes, warthogs, rhinos, antelope, zebras, elephants, porcupines and hyenas — as well as other geological evidence, the researchers suggest that the newfound ape lived in a dry forest, more like where the early humans in Africa may have dwelled, rather than in the forest settings of modern great apes. A. turkae's powerful jaws and large, thickly enameled teeth suggest that it may have dined on hard or tough foods such as roots, so A. turkae likely spent a great deal of time on the ground.

In the new study, the scientists focused on a well-preserved partial skull uncovered at the site in 2015. This fossil includes most of the facial structure and the front part of the braincase, the area where the brain sat — features that helped the team calculate evolutionary relationships...

The researchers suggest that A. turkae and other fossil apes from nearby areas, such as Ouranopithecus in Greece and Turkey and Graecopithecus in Bulgaria, formed a group of early hominines. This may, in turn, suggest that the earliest hominines arose in Europe and the eastern Mediterranean. Specifically, the team contends that ancient Balkan and Anatolian apes evolved from ancestors in Western and Central Europe.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 300manyearsoflabor; anadoluviusturkae; ancientautopsies; fauxiantroll; fauxiantrolls; godsgravesglyphs; graecopithecus; noahsmalarkey; ouranopithecus; paleontology; youngearthdelusion; youngearthdelusions
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To: nickcarraway; Right_Wing_Madman; SunkenCiv

Yes, Asia.


21 posted on 09/03/2023 1:24:22 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Climate was very different 9 million years ago. Since then, there were several Ice Age glacial periods which would have pushed European critters south to escape the cold, then drawn them back north when the glaciers retreated.

130k years ago, during a warm period, we had hippos and elephants in Britain

https://theecologist.org/2016/jan/22/last-time-earth-was-hot-britain-was-land-hippos-and-elephants


22 posted on 09/03/2023 1:51:42 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“But I assume that due to the harsh climate in Europe, that forced the Europeans to innovate and develop technology.”

Yep. Some would migrate south during glacial periods, some would stay and figure out how to survive the winters.


23 posted on 09/03/2023 1:54:00 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: SunkenCiv
In the new study, the researchers analyzed a newly identified ape fossil from the 8.7 million-year-old site of Çorakyerler in central Anatolia. They dubbed the species Anadoluvius turkae. "Anadolu" is the modern Turkish word for Anatolia, and "turk" refers to Turkey.

Turkey? Isn't that where Noah's ark is said to have landed? Which would make Turkey the origin point of humanity.

Curious coincidence.

24 posted on 09/03/2023 2:10:39 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: SunkenCiv

Anadoluvius turkae.

So we are not monkeys but jive turkeys?

Explains a lot...


25 posted on 09/03/2023 2:16:51 AM PDT by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: roving

It’s amazing how so many on FR have drunk the evolutionist koolaid


26 posted on 09/03/2023 3:01:10 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m sure believers in evolution can appreciate some of us being skeptical after frauds like Lucy.


27 posted on 09/03/2023 3:42:53 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: alexander_busek

Unfortunately, on this particular topic here FR, science always loses to a cousin’s hairdresser’s nephew.


28 posted on 09/03/2023 4:02:30 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: SunkenCiv

RACIST RACIST RACIST RACIST RACIST RACIST RACIST /s


29 posted on 09/03/2023 4:24:34 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Current POPE and POTUS: corrupt, ignorant, paranoid, angry, deeply hateful, and deeply despised.)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

This is Asia, not Europe.
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Correct.But if you read the excerpt, it says these apes probably evolved from ancestors in Europe.


30 posted on 09/03/2023 4:41:10 AM PDT by sunny bonobo
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To: Skywise
Strike One - you don’t seem to understand hyperbole.

It is, indeed, sometimes difficult for me to distinguish willful ignorance and/or intellectual bigotry from hyperbole gross mischaracterizations.

Strike Two - you don’t seem to understand that, if you don’t believe in God, then the chemical ooze from which we all came from still comes from molten, hot, mag-ma...

Where did I ever say that I didn't believe in God? That's most presumptuous of you! In fact, it's beginning to look like it's habitual with you. (BTW: Still don't understand your reason for hyphenating "magma.")

Strike Three - You’ve failed to understand your lack of understanding.

You imputed a lack of understanding where, by your modest lights, you were unable to discern any.

Personally.. I’d refuse to pay up that student loan you got on your degree. It wasn’t worth it.

To paraphrase President Reagan: "There you go again!" Making brazen assumptions based on nothing and, perhaps, stemming from your seething resentment towards - what, exactly? What was it that I wrote that "triggered" you?

BTW: I had scholarships that paid my entire way through university on two continents.

Regards,

31 posted on 09/03/2023 5:06:46 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Climate was very different 9 million years ago. Since then, there were several Ice Age glacial periods which would have pushed European critters south to escape the cold, then drawn them back north when the glaciers retreated.

Prehistoric SUVs to blame...

Women and children most impacted.

Regards,

32 posted on 09/03/2023 5:09:54 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Skywise

You should have just given him one strike there Roger Clemens.


33 posted on 09/03/2023 5:14:59 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: MinorityRepublican
True, but some research says that people arriving in Europe from ‘elsewhere’ met other upright, bipedal, tool-making types.

So if other ‘humans’ were ALREADY there (and no matter how or when the ‘others’ faded out of the picture), it sort of confuses the ‘out of Africa’ sham. Not enough is known, one way or another, about how this all began. That's what is especially galling about the 'out of Africaa' story that the media and other reputation hunting 'researchers' rushed to establish as fact. Those 'researchers' only want to see their mug on the cover of National Geographic.

34 posted on 09/03/2023 5:17:03 AM PDT by SMARTY (“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook
when you consider the chances of that happening evolution itself is the proof of God.

Yes it is!

Genesis 1

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

WOW!

God did all this for us and man was smart enough (then) to write it all down 2500 years ago!

It is as true today as it was 2500 years ago.

Praise God!

35 posted on 09/03/2023 5:23:51 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook
While life did come from God, it did not evolve the way evolutionists claim.

We didn't emerge from the primordial soup and evolve from the ameba up to an ape and then people.

There's no scientific evidence for that.

Mankind was created by God. We didn't evolve to mankind.

36 posted on 09/03/2023 5:42:42 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: SunkenCiv

This would certainly undercut the decades-long effort to make everyone think of themselves as being part black.


37 posted on 09/03/2023 5:49:46 AM PDT by euram (allALL)
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To: SauronOfMordor

“Climate was very different 9 million years ago.”

YOU LIE YOU LYING LIAR! According to our sacred climate experts, climate was constant and perfect for gazillions of years. Then evil humans started burning fossil fuels to cook food, heat their homes, and drive SUVs. Luckily, our sacred climate experts have a plan to return things to normal. Eradicate 95% of humans.


38 posted on 09/03/2023 5:55:13 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Studies are when a bunch of booschidt artists get together, decide what they want to “prove,” they get a government grant and then work backwards to “prove” they’re desired result. Studies really suck. Most of them are done by retards who got Bidenskyyyyy to force American workers to pay for their worthless diploma student loans.


39 posted on 09/03/2023 6:25:22 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Chumpkin and Garland must recuse themselves from any legal actions against President Trump.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Yep. Some would migrate south during glacial periods, some would stay and figure out how to survive the winters.

Eventually, the Europeans had to organize to survive the winters. So that's how they gained an edge over the rest of the world.

40 posted on 09/03/2023 6:35:21 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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