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Weekly Garden Thread - July 29-August 4, 2023 [Planting a Fall Garden Edition]
July 29, 2023 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 07/29/2023 5:12:01 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

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TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Hobbies
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1 posted on 07/29/2023 5:12:01 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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Planting a Fall Vegetable Garden

We love fall gardening! The heat is waning but the soil is still warm. There are just three steps to consider to planting a fall garden: when to plant, what to plant, and where to plant a fall garden. Let’s get started!

Why Plant a Fall Garden

Fall gardening is much less stressful for many crops—as well as shrubs, trees, and perennials. There are less weeds, less pests, and it’s often rainier so less need to water as often.

As soon as your spring and summer crops stop producing, pull them and make room for all those delicious fall crops! There are just three steps to consider.
1. When to Plant a Fall Garden

Timing is everything. To plan what to plant in your fall garden, See our Fall Planting Dates Calendar. We’ve calculated your frost dates, backed out vegetable maturity dates (found on your seed packet), some time for harvesting and other fall factors.

Or, you can consult the Frost Dates Calcultor to find the first fall frost date for your area. Where I live, it is around September 20 but often it is another month before we get a killing frost. There is a lot of glorious gardening weather between now and then.

Even though the days are beginning to shorten, the soil is warmer than it was in May so seeds sown now will germinate much faster.

2. Which Vegetables to Grow

Here’s a list of good vegetables to plant in late summer to keep the garden going through autumn! Pay attention to which veggies are frost-tolerant and which are tender.

As the weather cools, plant crops that are cold-tolerant and mature quickly. Salad greens are fast and hardy; leaf lettuces are ready to cut in 45 to 50 days. Looseleaf and butterhead leaves can be harvested at just about any time in their development. Sometime lettuce seeds have difficulty germinating in hot soil, so I start my new baby lettuces in flats that I can keep well-watered and shaded until the plants are large enough to transplant into the garden. Some varieties of lettuce such as ‘Winter Marvel’ and ‘New Red Fire’ are more cold-tolerant than others.

A quick crop of radishes will be ready for the salad bowl in 25 days.

Other root crops, like carrots and beets will take longer, but are worth the wait since they seem to get sweeter as the days get cooler.

Fall-planted spinach does much better than spring planted spinach since it is maturing during the cool weather it loves instead of struggling in the summer heat.

Swiss chard is another hardy green that reaches an edible size in 25 to 30 days. Given some extra protection when frost threatens, spinach and chard can last well into fall. If well-mulched, in many parts of the country spinach will winter over and give you an extra-early spring crop of the best spinach you’ve ever tasted!

Broccoli and kohlrabi mature well in cool weather and will not be bothered by the cabbage moth larvae as much as spring-planted cold crops are.

Kale is a winter staple. Try blue-green ‘Winterbor’ or pretty purple ‘Redbor’. They can be harvested long after other greens have been killed by cold weather.

Bush beans take about 6 to 8 weeks to reach a harvestible size. The only problem with these crops is that they will be killed by frost unless you plan to protect them. If you live in an area with a long growing season, this will not be a problem.

Snap peas and snow peas start to bear in 60 days and peas that mature in cold weather seem especially sweet and crisp. Pea vines can survive temperatures down to 25 degrees.

The real stars of the fall garden are the Asian greens. Quick maturing varieties can be harvested in 45 days. Tatsoi, pac choi, mizuna, and napa are all in the brassica family. They can weather a frost and will last through a hard freeze if given some protection.

Continues:

https://www.almanac.com/how-plant-fall-vegetable-garden


2 posted on 07/29/2023 5:14:52 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: 4everontheRight; Augie; Apple Pan Dowdy; Aevery_Freeman; ApplegateRanch; ArtDodger; AloneInMass; ...

3 posted on 07/29/2023 5:17:29 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: All
Spring or Fall planting idea:


4 posted on 07/29/2023 5:22:48 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Morning all, I just started fall lettuce and radishes. Everything else starting to come in. We will have a bumper tomato harvest, mostly San Marzanos and Sabres. I have probably picked 3 gallons of shishito peppers by now. After planting we use Dr. Jim Z’s Chicken Soup for the Soil on everything. Chinese long beans just starting to form we will have a lot. Heading off soon for the historic village celebration today. Will be a docent focused on quilting and yoyo’s. And wearing my 6.00 pioneer dress. Expecting about 3000 in the village today.


5 posted on 07/29/2023 5:29:15 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

YUM yum yum.


6 posted on 07/29/2023 5:30:26 AM PDT by Liz (More tears are shed over answered prayers than over unanswered ones. St Teresa of Avila)
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To: MomwithHope

So today’s the day, Huh? Can’t wait to hear what people think of your costume. :)

You’re making me want some of that Fertilizer!


7 posted on 07/29/2023 5:37:45 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: FRiends; Eric in the Ozarks
Eric shares his bounty of Roma-type tomatoes!


8 posted on 07/29/2023 5:40:48 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I have seen Swiss chard overwinter even here in MA, with its near zero temps.

But not tomatoes (10-31-2022).

Middle-Snow-10-31

Meanwhile, as of 7-29-2023, overall good growth, if too much foliage (need more potassium?), with green toms forming, thank God

7-29-Garden-R

7-29-Garden-Cntr

9 posted on 07/29/2023 5:58:41 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good Morning! :-)


10 posted on 07/29/2023 6:14:16 AM PDT by left that other site (Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.)
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To: daniel1212

They’re getting too much Nitrogen if you have that much growth and foliage.

Use a higher MIDDLE number on the NPK scale for more Potassium for blooming and fruit set.

That said, you always seem to get a good harvest out of that little plot of yours. ;)


11 posted on 07/29/2023 6:35:40 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good morning! We were lucky to have the wind and hail miss us last night. I watched the radar all night and local TV when there were tornado warnings.

In the garden....my roma type tomato Supremo from Park Seed has masses of fruit on it, nothing ripe yet.

Steady cucumber production, shared a bag of them with hubby’s co-workers ths week.

Glad the heat wave is over. Was not fun.
😅


12 posted on 07/29/2023 6:38:06 AM PDT by TheConservativeParty (Comfy with Frens 🐸 )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good morning. Wonder if there is a fall veggie grey diggers don’t like...???


13 posted on 07/29/2023 6:52:56 AM PDT by goodnesswins ( We pretend to vote and they pretend to count the votes.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Impressive!


14 posted on 07/29/2023 7:17:45 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (You can't remove RINOs by voting for them!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Click on the picture to link back to the Weekly Garden Thread - July 22-28, 2023!

Poof sorry image href gone!

Pollard's F/R profile page is the location of his Prepper links and Data Base and contains the Gardening Resource files.
Click on the Open Book in the picture to link to his homepage!


15 posted on 07/29/2023 7:39:40 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission (6B KS/MO border 85F 9:28 partly cloudy this morning chance of storms. )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

Thanks, Pete!


16 posted on 07/29/2023 8:35:14 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; little jeremiah
Thank you Diane!

I have to take a closer look at the planting schedule but I will tell you that in this heat I am almost to the "Die Garden Die!" stage!

They have just about finished storm debris pickup in my neighborhood! I have Power and air conditioning...a good thing since it was 102F yesterday! (Lost power 3 times in the last 2 weeks, once in our big storm. I would blame it on "Biden Brownouts" but it was really Neighbors who do not maintain trees in their yards along the power lines. If or when I move the next house has a buried power line.)

Tomatoes are not growing/ripening well in the 90-100 F heat. Cool days I try to go out and shake/brush tomato flowers to get them to set if possible. When it cools down perhaps some of the set tomatoes will grow.

Heirloom and specialty tomatos...small garden, over 50 lbs picked more to come. These sell for about $5 lb at the local grocery so at least $250 equivalent cost! These are appreciated and are great for sharing with family and friends.

June planted Burpee's Long Keeper tomatoes are filled with blossoms and some small green tomatoes so they should be producing at the middle or end of August.

Cucumber beetles spotted and striped and bean beetles are destroying my trellised walls of pole beans. (Sort of expected.)

I bought traps for transparent winged moths (Squash vine borers/maggots) that are working incredibly well! The sticky trap bottoms get filled with moths and I replace the bottom of the trap with a yellow sticky trap. I have multistory stickies! (A possum or someting pulled the stickies out of the trap and ate all the moths off of them. Since I do not have chickens its sort of allright.

Incredibly no zucchini harvested! Cocozelle not doing well in this heat. I am about to replace it. Striata d' Italia variety is vigerous, but It probably needs more room than available in my garden. I was growing both varieties vertically in tomato cages. I have another fast growing variety that takes about 40 days to fruit. They may need more sunlight and water.

I am getting some patty pan squash. Red Kuri is climbing up trellises and crawling along and over the top of the pole beans on my fence. I have several squash growing, hoping for a lot more. I have one butternut squash that is growing on a sad vine on a trellis and I am hoping to nurse it to maturity.

Planted some Hybrid Northern sweet corn for daughter, a bit of a novelty. Fast growing, about 5 feet tall, good taste but I can' grow enough in my small space to get through germination. I have harvested a number of 1/2 full cobs of tasty corn. (I sliced the soft ungerminated ends and used them in a vegetable medley with slightly overgrown romano beans.

Picked an almost perfect 9" "Diva" Cucumber from my protected gardening fabric covered trellis! Beit Alpha variety, no spines, you can grow it under a row cover do not need insects to pollinate!! Recommended! Growing Artist Cucumber too. It produces spiny gerkins which would be very good for pickling!

Eldest Daughter is visiting from her Group Home, need to go off now and do some grooming stuff. (Mani-Pedi) She moves and kicks when nails are being trimmed so I am the one who needs to do this!!

17 posted on 07/29/2023 8:36:46 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission (6B KS/MO border 90F 10:33 partly cloudy this morning chance of storms. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

What a marvelous animation. Many thanks.


18 posted on 07/29/2023 9:10:53 AM PDT by mairdie (Grandfather Jack Bell - miner, reporter, lawman, naturalist - https://youtu.be/Dnnb63UEk9c)
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To: daniel1212

In NY I had lettuce overwinter being buried in the snow.


19 posted on 07/29/2023 9:13:58 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
They’re getting too much Nitrogen if you have that much growth and foliage.

Part of that is due to the far-above average rainfall this summer, with more this month than any other this month year (though less than in 2021, in contrast to a drought last year)

The only fertilizer is use is granular 10-10-10. But I recently dissolved some potassium capsules I had left over and added them to a gallon of old vitamins I also had left over, and put some in a 5 gal pail and for plants.

Now for the competition: My Guatemalan brother in Christ plants 4th of July tomatoes (grown from seed) in a cut away in the cement of his parking lot of his apt building in this densely pop. city, and filled it will garden souls from HD, and prunes branches off. Result:

7-29-23-Gabs-Garden

On the other side of the fence in his neighbors yard are plants I grew (with permission) from harvest seed in plain old soil, which I have done little pruning on:

7-29-23-My-Side-B-Gabs-Garden

Meanwhile, back to my home plot, the first ripe toms have shown themselves, praise God:

7-29-23-Back1st-Toms

But what is this mystery flower I planted:

Mystry-Flwrs


20 posted on 07/29/2023 2:50:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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