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Transcript 0:00 · go back to the tape is great and 0:02 · deserves all the attention it gets but 0:04 · does it have the right kind of attention 0:07 · there is another site in southeast 0:09 · turkey that is probably going to turn 0:11 · out to be far more important than its 0:13 · more well-known contemporary let's talk 0:16 · about one chocolate 0:17 · [Music] 0:23 · I think it's fair to say rumor that 0:25 · since we we've made the commitment to 0:27 · make a series of films called Gobekli 0:30 · Tepe to Stonehenge that our Focus has 0:32 · been far more on the Middle East and the 0:34 · and the Fertile Crescent and more we 0:37 · look the more complex and Nuance the 0:39 · whole development of farming culture and 0:41 · Mesopotamia seems to become 0:44 · and the more we look the more the idea 0:46 · of quebeco Tepe being the ground zero of 0:49 · civilization becomes less and less 0:51 · tenable in fact it becomes downright 0:53 · misleading what do you think I think 0:56 · that's a good way of putting it it is 0:57 · misleading and in actual fact it's quite 0:59 · bizarre really that for the length of 1:01 · time that we have we've been hearing 1:03 · about quebecue tape is almost Ground 1:04 · Zero 1:06 · um and you know the oldest sophisticated 1:08 · uh settlement if you like but it turns 1:12 · out that there's actually quite a few uh 1:15 · dating back so this sort of length of 1:17 · time uh you know talking about you know 1:19 · a ten eleven thousand years and more and 1:22 · here we are at Urban chocolate talking 1:24 · about something that's almost 13 1:27 · 000 years old it's remarkable how far 1:31 · back this goes yeah and I think the 1:35 · important thing if I'm reading this 1:36 · right about Montauk is not how far back 1:40 · it goes but the breadth of time that it 1:43 · was occupied and so it's able to win the 1:47 · excavations are complete uh it'll be 1:50 · able to tell and far broader story about 1:53 · that time I mean it spans the time of 1:56 · the 1:57 · um the younger dryas 2:00 · yes yes which is uh so so the settlement 2:03 · as a whole uh was uh was we can't say 2:07 · for certain that it was permanently 2:09 · inhabited for this length of time but 2:11 · certainly it was inhabited for 4 000 2:15 · years more or less before it was 2:17 · abandoned about 8 000 years ago it's 2:20 · just staggering 2:22 · so much 2:24 · discovered it's in the it's quite a way 2:27 · from 2:28 · um 2:30 · but just over 300 kilometers away to to 2:34 · the east 2:35 · uh in modern Province uh discovered 2:38 · first in 2008 uh during prospecting uh 2:43 · prospective digging 2:45 · um for the uh what is it the ILS Dam 2:50 · um the um but serious excavations have 2:54 · been undertaken since 2:56 · 2012. uh and I think the the main 3:00 · archaeologist responsible at the moment 3:02 · I don't know if he was involved when 3:04 · back in 2012 was uh Dr Ergo kodash of 3:09 · the University of um Mardin 3:12 · um so 3:13 · the little astonishing thing is 3:16 · excavations have been going on for quite 3:18 · some time last I read was that they've 3:22 · only 3:23 · um done about five percent of what they 3:26 · think yeah 3:30 · the whole the whole size extends it's 3:32 · about three hectares in size and and yes 3:37 · they've excavated five percent of this I 3:39 · mean that's so Lord knows what else 3:41 · they're going to find under there 3:42 · there's 3:44 · they are sophisticated architectural 3:46 · structures maybe we should uh probably I 3:49 · do you know what let's mention just to 3:51 · get it out of the way yeah bun chocolate 3:53 · it means the field of beads yeah they've 3:57 · they've found in their excavations they 3:58 · found about a hundred thousand beads 4:01 · here and some of them are carved into 4:04 · the shapes of animals as uh uh even 4:08 · carvings of uh so scorpions for example 4:11 · some of the pendants are yeah yeah 4:15 · um and uh uh what else there's extensive 4:18 · use of copper at the site 4:21 · um in fact the archaeologist was saying 4:22 · it was surprised at the extensive use of 4:25 · cobbler so I made a note somewhere that 4:27 · that over over all the rest of the sites 4:30 · uh in Anatolia they've found a few 4:33 · hundred uh copper items but here they 4:36 · found what was it two thousand yeah it's 4:39 · just and when you think of the age of 4:41 · the site that's what makes all these 4:43 · details that much more surprising 4:46 · um and respect to the Copper it's 4:49 · important to say we're not talking about 4:50 · copper tools here 4:53 · there are so far anyway 4:57 · um the only copper items that have been 4:58 · Unearthed are 5:00 · um copper ornaments worked into shapes 5:03 · scorpions is the uh seems to be the top 5:06 · Motif yeah so far yeah 5:10 · um yeah so you're not good going 5:13 · uh but also culturally you know that 5:15 · they uh they found earrings uh and lip 5:20 · rings as well so so again this is a 5:23 · practice that uh that might go back a 5:25 · lot further than we would previously 5:27 · have imagined it's uh yeah just more 5:29 · detail and we're talking the kind of 5:32 · earring that new needs piercing the kind 5:34 · of lip ring that needs piercing so we're 5:38 · getting much more colorful images out of 5:40 · here than to my knowledge that you ever 5:44 · have seemed to come out of the bakla 5:45 · tape yeah and I think that's the 5:47 · important thing 5:49 · that out of this tiny area of the in 5:54 · what will be the entire excavation the 5:56 · entire settlement five percent were told 5:59 · that all this 6:02 · um this material culture is coming out 6:04 · which 6:05 · uh dwarfs what's been coming out of go 6:08 · back to Tampa oh what's been focused on 6:10 · it go back to Tepe should I say I mean 6:12 · that I I'm quite open to be corrected 6:14 · about that and maybe you know Lee Claire 6:16 · at Rebecca you know we'll have a 6:18 · different story to tell but I think in 6:22 · the Public Image certainly you know the 6:24 · focus of quebecue topic has been on the 6:26 · structures it has been on the on the T 6:28 · pillars on the the central buildings the 6:32 · special buildings 6:33 · here we're actually getting close to 6:35 · people like I said we've got a much more 6:39 · colorful image of people because those 6:42 · beads I mean I hope when we go to Turkey 6:45 · we'll get to the modern museum where so 6:48 · many of these artifacts are kept 6:52 · and some of the videos I've seen where 6:55 · the beads have been assembled you know 6:57 · in uh as neck ornaments and all the rest 7:00 · of it they're really quite beautiful and 7:02 · elaborate yeah 7:04 · um 7:04 · and and some of them highly polished as 7:06 · well 7:07 · intricately worked so uh more surprises 7:11 · yeah 7:13 · um I think building wise you know we 7:16 · tend to when we look at Gecko Tepe for 7:19 · example and so there's the similarity of 7:23 · architectural uh structure that we can 7:25 · see here as well but fascinating here is 7:28 · that 7:29 · uh you have these communal buildings 7:31 · they call them communal buildings 7:34 · um that uh that they were sunk into the 7:36 · ground so you still have these Sterling 7:38 · the the upright pillars uh but they're 7:41 · sunk into the ground uh so that it's 7:45 · almost a Subterranean building that you 7:47 · access through the roof and uh and the 7:50 · archaeologists say that the residential 7:51 · buildings where people are actually 7:53 · living were on the surface so you had 7:56 · these surface dwelling houses but these 7:58 · Subterranean uh communal buildings 8:00 · that's interesting you have to wonder 8:02 · what went on and yeah yeah 8:05 · um fascinated you know the uh it's 8:08 · supposed to be the first window 8:11 · um which is interesting because uh as 8:15 · you say it seems to have been a roof 8:17 · Skylight that provided exit and entrance 8:21 · the units and entrance was through the 8:23 · roof nothing no doors or no side windows 8:28 · or something like that so although we're 8:30 · describing or they have been described 8:32 · as public places as communal places 8:36 · um in reality they must have been quite 8:39 · dark and quite you know enclosed spaces 8:43 · not really that much room for 8:46 · yes it's it's an interesting people to 8:49 · gather yeah it's an interesting 8:50 · distinction to make isn't it because 8:52 · they make the differentiation because uh 8:56 · you can see when there's signs of 8:58 · domestication so they know in the houses 9:00 · there's signs of people living there 9:01 · whether it's a hearth that might be 9:03 · outside or what have you there's there's 9:05 · something about them that shows that 9:06 · people live there uh whereas these 9:09 · communal buildings there's no signs of 9:11 · of the Domesticity so that doesn't 9:14 · really tell you that when they say it's 9:16 · a communal building or a public building 9:17 · it could be that that's public use in 9:20 · whatever way it doesn't necessarily mean 9:22 · that people were spending time inside 9:24 · them yeah yeah 9:27 · before we um go too much deeper I think 9:32 · first of all I think a little bit of a 9:34 · word from our sponsors and our sponsors 9:36 · are of course uh our patreon supporters 9:40 · um yeah how many are there of them 9:43 · 283 9:46 · this moment but the other fascinating 9:49 · statistic about our patreon page is you 9:52 · know it's been going for a bit while now 9:54 · they're well over 400 items of exclusive 9:57 · material on that unseen by anybody else 10:01 · so if you're into this kind of stuff 10:03 · there's loads more on our patreon page 10:05 · available to folk for 10:08 · um five dollars a month you can join our 10:11 · wonderful uh Community who are wonderful 10:13 · they're so supportive and and a good 10:16 · Bunch have a look in the description 10:17 · below and also don't forget to like And 10:20 · subscribe it all helps the wheels go 10:23 · turn around a bit fast makes the boat go 10:26 · faster should we put it that way it does 10:28 · well said yes 10:30 · uh anyway on with the show 10:33 · um what I was going to say was you 10:36 · kicked off I sort of set the question 10:37 · and you kicked on saying how many other 10:40 · sites you know beside bonjoklatala that 10:43 · there are in the area and we just need 10:46 · to sort of say a few words about that if 10:49 · you've got names on the tip of tip of 10:51 · your tongue on the tip of my tongue well 10:54 · um there's the better known 10:56 · um apart from there's um Caravan Tepe of 10:59 · course which was that's been 11:01 · there's quite a lot of excavation that's 11:03 · been going on there for some years now 11:06 · um but we shouldn't ignore the uh the 11:10 · other sites that that fit around this 11:12 · same time period going further south as 11:14 · well like Jericho and uh and why did 11:18 · fainan in Jordan which is uh again the 11:20 · same uh sort of age well I think that 11:23 · there's a another very important place 11:28 · um which I think is probably just over 11:30 · the Border 11:32 · I hate to mention borders actually 11:34 · because it sort of gives an impression 11:36 · of a divide that would not have been 11:39 · there so yeah uh would not have been 11:43 · that far away back in the day and of 11:46 · course we're talking 11:48 · um another site that predates 11:51 · but shows signs of the same kinds of 11:54 · stuff going on uh in terms of 11:58 · um her grain storage Silo storage of 12:02 · grain so you know the farming and 12:05 · agriculture uh well in full swing there 12:09 · and the same kind of settlement 12:12 · um things going on and that's just um 12:16 · uh in Northern Syria is it or is it Iraq 12:21 · I don't remember now I think it's 12:22 · Northern Syria 12:24 · um I don't remember to be honest yeah 12:27 · yeah 12:28 · um but there's no end of other Tepe 12:31 · sites as well uh to mention I don't know 12:35 · if any trip off the tongue uh obviously 12:38 · we know of uh of Karan Tepe 12:41 · um um well yeah I can't think for the 12:45 · moment 12:46 · because 12:47 · um oh well we can snip this bit out 12:49 · can't we oh no okay I'll tell you what 12:51 · I've I've found something I can I can 12:53 · knock off the top as hams on tap it kind 12:56 · of untapped bro I've said that Sefa Tepe 12:59 · [Music] 13:00 · um 13:03 · um 13:09 · and the list goes on 13:12 · um yeah 13:15 · so uh I'll tell you something that uh 13:19 · that I found really fascinating here 13:21 · that uh something that's not unusual 13:24 · culturally is that the burials were 13:28 · beneath the houses so you so people were 13:31 · buried where they had lived why put them 13:34 · anywhere else there was no external 13:37 · Cemetery for example people were buried 13:39 · uh in their own houses and in a couple 13:42 · of instances 13:44 · they found couples buried together so 13:48 · people in buried in an Embrace that's 13:52 · only in two graves that they found that 13:54 · but um but even so that is 13:57 · uh that's quite poignant isn't it you 13:59 · know what's the story behind that and 14:01 · obviously we'll never know 14:03 · um 14:04 · but uh but certainly there was that and 14:06 · then there was another grave they found 14:07 · that contained I think it was three 14:09 · children in one grave 14:11 · um but uh then there was a practice of 14:16 · uh after a period of time they would 14:19 · uncover the burials and remove the 14:22 · skulls only and uh and take them to be 14:26 · placed somewhere else so that's an 14:29 · interesting cultural yeah and it's not 14:31 · just a fun chocolate the evidence is 14:35 · confirming evidence that goes back to 14:38 · other sites to around about thirteen 14:41 · thousand uh BCE 14:44 · and continues actually the practice of 14:47 · um uh internment you know within the 14:51 · domestic setting 14:54 · um the retrieval of uh of skulls the 14:58 · sort of skull curation aspect as well 15:00 · seems to have lasted right through to 15:03 · about 7000 BCE 15:05 · [Music] 15:07 · um and I think that is one area where 15:10 · among chocolate Tyler that it's 15:12 · confirming the practice it seems it was 15:15 · a bit it's a bit a bit sketchy but think 15:18 · of that it's another bit of color this 15:19 · was a practice that would have been 15:21 · going on you know the culture that was 15:23 · inhabiting and the other teppo sites in 15:26 · in the area yeah 15:28 · um 15:29 · so the whole thing is just so much more 15:34 · full of color and diversity and 15:38 · the fact that we get sort of different 15:41 · uh 15:42 · um Spectrum a different spectrum of what 15:45 · was going on from each site you know the 15:49 · the 15:51 · broadly similar but each site sort of 15:54 · brings A New Perspective uh to to like 15:57 · it's it's quite astonishing and and 16:00 · wonderfully complex is there anything 16:04 · else that I think one other thing that 16:06 · is certainly worth mentioning bearing in 16:08 · mind the age of this site is that 16:11 · they're pretty sure they the 16:13 · archaeologists are pretty sure that 16:15 · they've actually revealed an 11 800 year 16:19 · old sewage system 16:21 · uh now that's uh you know that's a 16:26 · significant level of sophistication to 16:28 · be building into structures uh that's 16:32 · that impressed me I have to say yeah 16:34 · and the the question is bearing in mind 16:38 · that only five percent or so of the site 16:42 · has been excavated so far and has so far 16:45 · uh brought out such riches in terms of 16:48 · Illumination of the culture and what 16:51 · people were interested in you know how 16:53 · they were adorning themselves etc etc 16:56 · just how much more is going to come out 17:00 · at this particular 17:01 · excavation we'll just put a silly number 17:04 · on that a hundred thousand beads and 17:06 · they've excavated five percent yeah and 17:09 · they're a thirty Thirty houses 17:12 · yeah and the the seven communal uh 17:15 · buildings as well in the center of this 17:18 · community you know I what I suspect goes 17:23 · on at a lot of these sites and I think 17:26 · to a large degree the 17:29 · um domestic attributes of aspects of all 17:33 · these sites are tend to be sidelined 17:36 · when they're possibly some of the more 17:38 · important aspects 17:40 · um you know as far as day-to-day life is 17:43 · concerned 17:45 · um you know 17:47 · um Excavating and only Excavating 17:49 · Westminster Abbey is not going to tell 17:51 · you much about you know the daily lives 17:53 · of 17:55 · is it uh and one thing I do suspect is 18:00 · that these were you know though we've 18:02 · got sort of Village size that's 18:04 · indicated by the excavation so far I 18:08 · suspect the community was actually 18:10 · pretty large to in order to support in 18:13 · all these sites in order to support the 18:16 · building of such a massive 18:18 · um or you know la 18:20 · uh communal buildings or special 18:22 · buildings 18:25 · um that we've seen that the inhabit that 18:29 · the community would extend beyond what 18:32 · we see built I suspect you know in good 18:35 · medieval castle fashion the 18:38 · Castle will extend far beyond the castle 18:40 · walls or the community that supports the 18:43 · castle it's extended Way Beyond uh the 18:46 · castle walls 18:48 · um so you know that is speculation 18:50 · because 18:51 · it's hardly likely that we're going to 18:53 · find evidence of you know a tented or 18:57 · you know wooden Pole or wooden buildings 19:00 · beyond the stone building yeah but it's 19:03 · a strongly suspect that may be the case 19:05 · in order to support the numbers to in 19:07 · order to have the numbers that support 19:09 · such building and such concentration 19:12 · um in uh you know what must have been a 19:15 · hierarchy I think and that is another 19:18 · aspect into in terms of the all of these 19:21 · communities all of these settlements 19:23 · that they display 19:26 · um that there must have been an 19:28 · organizational Factor here that speaks 19:32 · to uh when you factor in as well that uh 19:35 · that they've they've found evidence for 19:37 · textiles as well which shouldn't be a 19:41 · surprise but when you actually start 19:43 · thinking about what it takes to weave 19:46 · class 19:48 · um so you've got weaving of cloth you've 19:50 · got the uh the fashioning of beads and 19:55 · and ornaments some of which are quite 19:57 · sophisticated all these things take time 20:00 · and uh so you're talking about a people 20:04 · who actually have enough time on their 20:06 · hands to be doing a lot of these things 20:09 · all right they're not going to sit down 20:11 · in the evening and do half of the things 20:12 · that we take for granted now they would 20:15 · have a lot of after Dark 20:17 · uh time to fill but nevertheless there 20:21 · was so much I think that the uh there's 20:24 · even one of these Stella that has a 20:26 · carving uh on this one has depictions of 20:28 · uh of people wearing skirts and tunics 20:33 · okay I'm not sure about that I think 20:35 · that was a general observation that was 20:37 · made about some other sites that uh you 20:41 · know the idea of uh wearing of garments 20:45 · Etc I think where was he talking about a 20:47 · uh okay well you can snip that out I'll 20:49 · have to uh no it's all right 20:52 · enough we can do 20:54 · um I'm just trying to think because that 20:56 · was something that I I just made a note 20:59 · of at the time but I don't remember 21:01 · I think it was a general point that he 21:03 · made that that yes they have found 21:04 · materials at the site but it doesn't 21:07 · tell us anything about you know what in 21:11 · themselves they don't tell us anything 21:12 · about what people were wearing but he 21:14 · said that Elsewhere on some of the sites 21:16 · where there are carvings we've seen 21:18 · depictions of people wearing um you know 21:21 · tunics and skirts that's that's what he 21:24 · said 21:25 · so there we are 21:27 · um 21:27 · so merely many talking points to come 21:30 · out of this and I hope you know really 21:32 · begins to illuminate the diversity and 21:36 · the multifaceted aspect of excavations 21:40 · in the Levant and the uh and Mesopotamia 21:45 · and how gabakley tapi rather Narrows our 21:50 · Focus fantastic though the site is you 21:53 · know it does tend to narrow our focus 21:55 · and and blind uh the the sort of public 22:00 · Consciousness about the breadth of and 22:04 · diversity of the other sites in the area 22:07 · that are providing far more uh 22:09 · information I think that's about where I 22:12 · think we should end this little 22:15 · conversation and hope that it's 22:17 · illuminated uh you know many factors 22:19 · that you weren't aware of before 22:20 · anything else you want to add to that no 22:23 · I think you're right I think it just 22:25 · shows that the the the deeper the Deep 22:29 · electric the the further back in time we 22:32 · find that these levels of sophistication 22:35 · were were thriving so yeah I'm sure 22:38 · there's still many surprises to come out 22:40 · of this site anyway yeah I'm sure there 22:42 · are many elements you know that will 22:44 · have missed and emitted from our short 22:46 · uh Breeze through these things and uh a 22:51 · bunch of chocolate itself but I hope you 22:53 · enjoyed that anyway as I say uh do have 22:56 · a look at our patreon page hit the like 22:57 · And subscribe thank you so much uh for 23:00 · watching and uh we'll see you all again 23:03 · very soon I hope all the best for now 23:06 · cheerio 23:12 · [Music] 23:18 · sweet
Aha, I found the vid that was in my related vids a week or so ago, when I woke one morning, and hadn’t been able to find it since. Hadn’t listened to it, just started it.
[snip] the little astonishing thing is excavations have been going on for quite some time last I read was that they've only um done about five percent of... the whole size extends it's about three hectares in size [/snip]
Granted, this is Turkish archaeology, but it appears that these "Prehistory Guys" don't know much about modern archaeology.
The rest of the Gobekli Tepe keyword, sorted:
Sometimes when they talk about these places I think of massive cities laid out.
But here they’re saying the location is about 3 hectares - which is roughly 7 1/2 acres. My home sits on a quarter acre. So the site is basically equivalent to a small subdivision of about 30 suburban houses. Now I don’t know the structure’s vertical component, but assuming 6 people per household (2 elders, 2 kids, 2 parents) that would give a population of roughly 180....a decent sized village no doubt.
TRACES ‘’Boncuklu Tarla’’ Documentary Drama | English Subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJoTIyt0rto
What about Macho Grande?
I’ll never get over Macho Grande.....................
Thanks!
“...they’ve excavated five percent yeah and they’re a thirty Thirty houses yeah and the the seven communal uh buildings as well in the center of this community...”
Like Catal Huyuk, this town used the roofs as the “streets”, and entered and exited their homes and other buildings using roof openings, which doubled as the smoke-holes. The outermost structures generally provided the city walls.
The rest of the Catal Hoyuk keywords, sorted, duplicates out (other than the duplicates from the earlier posting):
Or the capital of Phrygia, Gordita. Wait, what?
Oh, I’d started watching that one before, I don’t think I’d finished it, or don’t remember anything but the woman of the intro. :^)
what about BONCUKLU TARLA?...............
Wasn’t he the lead singer for AC/DC?...............
Tarla Corcelli used to wait tables in some bar in Boston.
Good old Boncuklu.
Shared many a Gin and Tonic with him at The Tiger Hunter Club.
Carla Maria Victoria Angelina Teresa Apollonia Lozupone Tortelli LeBec.......................
The Taco Grande ain’t com’in back.
It always comes back...........in a few hours..................
Cansu Dolas- I imagine she is what Helen of Troy looked like.
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