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Weekly Garden Thread - January 21-27, 2023 [Seed Shortages: Opinions & Articles As To Why]
Various Publications | January 21, 2023 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 01/21/2023 8:00:22 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

If you have specific question about a plant/problem you are having, please remember to state the Growing Zone where you are located.

This thread is a non-political respite. No matter what, you won’t be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table Recipes, Preserving, Good Living - there is no telling where it will go - and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us! Send a Private Message to Diana in Wisconsin if you'd like to be added to our New & Improved Ping List.

NOTE: This is a once a week Ping List. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest to Gardeners are welcomed any time!


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: food; gardening; health; hobbies
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To: LilFarmer
I'm going to start with a good soaker hose before getting into drip tubing. Something like this; https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/collections/hand-watering-hoses/products/porous-soaker-hose

And to prevent it from getting clogged since I'll be harvesting rain water; https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/collections/hand-watering-hoses/products/in-line-hose-filter

I've seen videos of people that use pvc pipe and drill many tiny holes on it.

Will be interested to anyone who's used drip tubing.

81 posted on 01/23/2023 9:57:53 AM PST by Pollard ( >>> The Great Reset is already underway! <<<)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; Pete from Shawnee Mission

This past week was generally cool and damp here in Central Missouri. Weather guessers are saying we might get some snow tonight.

I spent all of Saturday doing outdoor chores. It’s time to overseed my hay field so I dragged the old Farmall tractor out of the barn and over to my shop for a wash job and maybe a tune-up. Trying to get the battery charged now. It’s been two years since this one has been running so it’s likely to be a little bit grumpy about starting.

When I was done with that I got Nanner out and spread another 26 ton load of crushed limestone on the driveway. It could use two more loads but it’s in plenty good shape to make the rest of the winter so there’s no urgency to get that done.

I’ve been pecking away at Mr. Clarence in the evenings after work. Finished up replacing gas line/valve/filter/etc. between the fuel tank and carburetor last week. Working on the exhaust now. Think I’ve got all of the parts that I’ll need to knock that out after work today.

I bought a couple pipe heating tapes last week. Deployed one of them in the ground beds in the greenhouse yesterday. I also bought a quart of surfactant to try in there. I must have gotten the compost that I used in the ground beds off the new end of the heap because it’s not quite ready for prime time. Still too much sawdust in it to take a good soaking. After applying 30 gallons of treated water to the beds they looked a lot better. If there’s still plenty of moisture in the beds when I get home today I’ll sow some green salad and see what happens.

Healthy new granddaughter Emery Mabel arrived in the world on Saturday morning. I already had plans to be in STL this coming Saturday to fetch the new set of wheels/tires for my truck so we’ll slide down I55 to Arnold and visit her while we’re in the neighborhood.


82 posted on 01/23/2023 11:11:25 AM PST by Augie
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; LilFarmer; Pollard; Augie; Pete from Shawnee Mission

Drip irrigation is fantastic in large spaces. In my ~2500sq/ft kitchen garden it’s just too much stuff to trip over, not to mention being a bit of work to set up.

I switched back to soaker hoses last summer. I’ll set up driplines on the chestnut grove I’m developing, but the garden gets soaker hoses from here on out.

Berry Hill Irrigation (https://www.berryhilldrip.com/) has a great selection of supplies. Highly recommended.


83 posted on 01/23/2023 11:52:34 AM PST by Augie
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To: Ellendra; Diana in Wisconsin

Yamhill White Winter Wheat

Tolerates wet soil according to Territorial

Streaker Barley

Hull-less barley. Developed by OSU.

Good in Wisconsin??

84 posted on 01/23/2023 12:30:03 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Augie
In my ~2500sq/ft kitchen garden it’s just too much stuff to trip over, not to mention being a bit of work to set up.

Thanks.

(50x50=2,500) My high tunnel will be 22x35 or 770 sq ft which wouldn't be too bad for setting up drip by hand but then I'll also be growing stuff outside on either side of it. Taters etc. I also have no idea how I'm going to arrange inside the tunnel. Hard to plan for drip which is why I figured I'd start with soaker hoses. Might be a different arrangement per season too. I don't want to be buying stuff constantly and with the humidity here in the Ozarks, I'm not keen on overhead watering but a tunnel gets no rain so I need something.

Old style soaker hoses simply connected to a spigot always had a problem with watering the end closest to the spigot more than the other end but I think with the new hoses, plus a pressure regulator, that is avoided.

I think drip best for commercial growers that have a large enough operation with a lot of long straight rows where they can lay drip tape and plastic mulch in a single pass with a tractor. In that case, they usually also have an attachment to wind it up after harvest and then they trash it which seems wasteful.

A more permanent instance like a grove/orchard seems like a good use for drip too, though with trees, you could also do a sprinkler system which is even more permanent but also more expensive and more work.

I suppose once chestnut trees are established and big, they won't need watering. Fruit orchard is a different story. They'll survive a drought once established but you wouldn't get much of a crop.

85 posted on 01/23/2023 12:45:18 PM PST by Pollard ( >>> The Great Reset is already underway! <<<)
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To: Augie
Congratulations on your new Grand daughter Augie!

Here you Augie, still have cabbages growing under cover! Pictures taken Jan 17th, 2023.

Kaitlin Cabbages (Jung Raspberry Shortcake in the black trade pot behind them.)

Golden beauty Chinese Cabbage in 2 x 2 metal raised bed box. (Pipe heating cable visible on the right.)

They are growing, but very slowly. (Given that them might go 3-4 days under 2 covers of garden fabric.) Hose was put away for the winter so I water every few days by hand. The Kaitlin cabbage heads are still very loose. Would have been better if started 4 weeks earlier!

86 posted on 01/23/2023 12:50:57 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Augie
Congratulations on your new Grand daughter Augie!

Here you Augie, still have cabbages growing under cover! Pictures taken Jan 17th, 2023.

Kaitlin Cabbages (Jung Raspberry Shortcake in the black trade pot behind them.)

Golden beauty Chinese Cabbage in 2 x 2 metal raised bed box. (Pipe heating cable visible on the right.)

They are growing, but very slowly. (Given that them might go 3-4 days under 2 covers of garden fabric.) Hose was put away for the winter so I water every few days by hand. The Kaitlin cabbage heads are still very loose. Both Would have been better if started 4 weeks earlier, but they are doing pretty well and I will continue to protect them from winter. (I think the heater cables and straw mulch and covers made the difference.)

87 posted on 01/23/2023 1:05:44 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

Those cabbages all look good to me Pete.

I just scored a six pack of 4’ LED grow lights off of amazon. They’re supposed to arrive on Monday. Should help quite a bit getting seedlings started in the greenhouse.


88 posted on 01/23/2023 2:11:02 PM PST by Augie
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To: Augie
"Emery Mabel arrived in the world on Saturday morning."


89 posted on 01/23/2023 3:16:55 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

The REAL money is in Burley Tobacco. But Beau is agin’ it. :(


90 posted on 01/23/2023 3:18:13 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Pollard

Thanks for the video!

I’m new to Jiffy 7 pellets. I was using way too much water as I wasn’t sure if they were properly “inflated”.

I think I got the hang of it, with all y’all’s help!


91 posted on 01/23/2023 6:12:28 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: Ellendra

Thanks! I have several pouches of mycorrhizal inoculants. I’ll try a light dusting.


92 posted on 01/23/2023 6:13:26 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: LilFarmer

You can buy a beginner set which provides some practice at setting a system up.

https://www.dripworks.com/ Rainbird. Home Depot online might have what you need. (Do they have any stores in Georgia? :)

I think a lot depends on how you have your garden laid out. If you have a lot of 40 foot straight rows with one type of plant (Say corn) you could just go with go with Augie’s suggestion and run a one feeder line at one end of the rows, and put an outlet with a shut off for your drip hoses and that would probably work well. One set up at the beginning of the year with not much change. (Be aware that too long a run and you lose water pressure at the end!)

If you have a number of small beds you might need to use something a little different. I have a number of 2’ by 12’ beds. and several 2’ by 6’ beds. I use a 1/2’ feed and run 3 1/4” drip lines in each bed ) I can get enough pressure to water 2 beds at a time. Then I have to switch to the next 2 beds. It does resolve the issue of mold pretty well. (Use 6” spacing drip lines) I can get a bed planted with marigold in the front sun side, then your tomatoes, and basil at the back and they stay pretty well watered. Read up on it beforehand and start small the first year.


93 posted on 01/23/2023 6:47:54 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

And not Laffy Lettuce? (Sigh.)


94 posted on 01/23/2023 6:53:50 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

The Great Lakes Staples page on Yamhill says it isn’t very tolerant of wet soils here in the midwest. That may change depending on other environmental factors. But generally speaking, those both look like they should do ok. If you decide to test them, let me know the results!


95 posted on 01/23/2023 9:06:42 PM PST by Ellendra (A single lie on our side does more damage than a thousand lies on their side.)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission; Auggie; Pollard; Diana in Wisconsin

Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions! It helps a great deal to know where to start/look

My garden is long and narrow, I’m guessing I will need to eventually set up zones. We normally have three zones with sprinklers (or we would lose pressure). Starting small is a good idea. I may start with just the tomatoes this year. We may need to have some topsoil brought in, so much of mine has washed away.


96 posted on 01/24/2023 5:19:38 AM PST by LilFarmer
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97 posted on 01/24/2023 8:02:14 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: All
Morther Earth News released a great article this afternoon (originally written in 1971!) on using peat pellets.

Grow an Early Garden Using Peat Moss Pellets

98 posted on 01/24/2023 2:18:20 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: Ellendra; Diana in Wisconsin
Ellendra; I would go with Great Lakes' suggestion. I hope your planting works well this year!

Growing. I wish I were out in the Kansas country side and I would try it! Its dryer here and better for growing wheat.

Since this is about wheat and barley, I would mention hops plants to anyone who might want to grow and brew your own beer. (If you don't use them for the beer, they make great sleepy hops pillows!)

sources:

https://www.jungseed.com/category/1007

https://www.northernbrewer.com/collections/hop-rhizomes

99 posted on 01/24/2023 7:03:57 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Not sure we have many growing rice or raising ducks, but interesting article: (Ducklings weed the rice paddy, the ducks grow and are sold, the rice matures and is harvested.)

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/rice-farming-with-ducks-aigamo

The ducks are part of a Japanese agricultural technique known as aigamo, and their Vermont home resembles flooded rice paddies found in eastern Asia, particularly those of Japan’s Miyagi prefecture. It may seem random, or out of place to find this scene 6,000 miles away in the Northeast United States, but to Erik Andrus, owner of Boundbrook Farm, the ducks are the long-awaited solution to his pivot to rice farming.

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https://downeast.com/land-wildlife/this-woman-wants-to-destroy-your-lawn/

This Woman Wants to Destroy Your Lawn

And replace it with something better. Why Heather McCargo and the Wild Seed Project want us all to think differently about what we plant (and yeah, to think about it in the winter).

The Wild Seed Project started selling seedlings a few years back, but McCargo remains a devoted defender of seeds. “I grow everything from seed,” she says. “I’m for sexual reproduction. It’s critical to keep native plants sexually active.”

Well...good to know!

100 posted on 01/25/2023 4:57:07 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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